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Seeking an OpenSolaris Celeb
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Feb 14, 2006 4:25 PM
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Hello All,
The OpenSolaris Project is a monster of a project. By my count we've
got 38 communities, 5 projects, 93 mailing lists (many of those are the
OSUG lists), and hundreds of blogs. This is absolutely no way to stay
informed about whats happening in the project, and where people are
needed at any given time, especially for those of us trying to work in
multiple areas of the project.
I think that was we really need to keep people informed is a weekly
report on the project as a whole. This is the sort of thing done by a
lot of the larger open source projects out there. For an example, check
out "The Linux Documentation Project Weekly News":
http://www.tldp.org/ldpwn/20051102.html
I put this out as a request because this is undoubtedly a full time
job. The idea would be to produce a weekly spot that outlined, in a
very condensed form, everything thats going on.
Ultimately, it would be neat to have both a web based report but also
an OpenSolaris PodCast to go along with it, perhaps picking up Richard
Giles torch and building upon what he started.
This would be a great opportunity for someone who isn't sure how to
contribute but is really enthusiastic. I'd like to fill this role
myself but just don't have the time.
If you're interested respond to this thread, or even better yet, just
go for it and lets see how things go!
benr.
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Re: Seeking an OpenSolaris Celeb
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Feb 14, 2006 8:53 PM
in response to: benr
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> Hello All,
>
> The OpenSolaris Project is a monster of a project.
> t. By my count we've
> got 38 communities, 5 projects, 93 mailing lists
> (many of those are the
> OSUG lists), and hundreds of blogs. This is
> absolutely no way to stay
> informed about whats happening in the project, and
> where people are
> needed at any given time, especially for those of us
> trying to work in
> multiple areas of the project.
>
> I think that was we really need to keep people
> le informed is a weekly
> report on the project as a whole. This is the sort
> of thing done by a
> lot of the larger open source projects out there.
> For an example, check
> out "The Linux Documentation Project Weekly News":
> http://www.tldp.org/ldpwn/20051102.html
>
> I put this out as a request because this is
> is undoubtedly a full time
> job. The idea would be to produce a weekly spot that
> outlined, in a
> very condensed form, everything thats going on.
>
> Ultimately, it would be neat to have both a web
> eb based report but also
> an OpenSolaris PodCast to go along with it, perhaps
> picking up Richard
> Giles torch and building upon what he started.
>
> This would be a great opportunity for someone who
> ho isn't sure how to
> contribute but is really enthusiastic. I'd like to
> fill this role
> myself but just don't have the time.
>
> If you're interested respond to this thread, or
> or even better yet, just
> go for it and lets see how things go!
Good idea. Happy to help. I think you'll need several people to collaborate on this, though. It's just too big (and will only get bigger and move faster) for one person to speak authoritatively about. It would be great to have some summaries of the mail lists, too.
Currently, we are welcoming community contributions to the newsletter, which is monthly at this point. We'd like to grow it substantially. And in the content project, I'd love to do some multi-media stuff with podcasts (would love some equipment for that, too :)). I can easily see representatives from multiple communities/projects getting involved with an idea like this.
Jim
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Re: Re: Seeking an OpenSolaris Celeb
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Feb 15, 2006 2:01 AM
in response to: jimgris
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Jim Grisanzio wrote:
>>Hello All,
>>
>>The OpenSolaris Project is a monster of a project.
>>t. By my count we've
>>got 38 communities, 5 projects, 93 mailing lists
>>(many of those are the
>>OSUG lists), and hundreds of blogs. This is
>>absolutely no way to stay
>>informed about whats happening in the project, and
>>where people are
>>needed at any given time, especially for those of us
>>trying to work in
>>multiple areas of the project.
>>
>>I think that was we really need to keep people
>>le informed is a weekly
>>report on the project as a whole. This is the sort
>>of thing done by a
>>lot of the larger open source projects out there.
>> For an example, check
>>out "The Linux Documentation Project Weekly News":
>>http://www.tldp.org/ldpwn/20051102.html
>>
>>I put this out as a request because this is
>>is undoubtedly a full time
>>job. The idea would be to produce a weekly spot that
>>outlined, in a
>>very condensed form, everything thats going on.
>>
>>Ultimately, it would be neat to have both a web
>>eb based report but also
>>an OpenSolaris PodCast to go along with it, perhaps
>>picking up Richard
>>Giles torch and building upon what he started.
>>
>>This would be a great opportunity for someone who
>>ho isn't sure how to
>>contribute but is really enthusiastic. I'd like to
>>fill this role
>>myself but just don't have the time.
>>
>>If you're interested respond to this thread, or
>>or even better yet, just
>>go for it and lets see how things go!
>>
>>
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>Good idea. Happy to help. I think you'll need several people to collaborate on this, though. It's just too big (and will only get bigger and move faster) for one person to speak authoritatively about. It would be great to have some summaries of the mail lists, too.
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Summarising the mailing lists would be the primary goal. Aggrigation
via RSS can only go so far, at some point you need an intellegent and
informed human being to summarize mailing list threads, point out
references to work being done, etc.
If such an effort were successful we'd all be "in the know" on a weekly
basis. Right now many of us are only aware of a fraction of whats
underway and where things stand. As a perfect example, the recent
confusion and frustration reguarding SX:CR B33 could have been avoided
is we'd all been working off the same sheet of paper.
>Currently, we are welcoming community contributions to the newsletter, which is monthly at this point. We'd like to grow it substantially. And in the content project, I'd love to do some multi-media stuff with podcasts (would love some equipment for that, too :)). I can easily see representatives from multiple communities/projects getting involved with an idea like this.
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>
Another great example, I have no idea which of Sun's gazillion
newsletters your refering to. :)
There are several ways to approach this, several of which we discussed
this afternoon in IRC:
1) A single individual keeps informed on everything and reports weekly
via report (HTML) and possibly a PodCast. I like this solution only
because it gives everything a single voice and a singular style.
However, its far too big a job for one person unless they really are
willing to take it on as a "full-time" (in the open source sense) job.
2) A centralized report thats updated throughout a given period by
everyone, aka: the wiki solution. In this method we'd create a new Wiki
page every week, which everyone could add to, update, and modify for
that weeks period. On a certain day the page would be closed and locked
out. This relieves the burden from a single individual but allows
things to fall through the cracks. There is no guarrentee that
_everything_ will make it in.
3) The beaurocratic method, weekly reports from every community leader.
Forcing every community to report back to the mother ship every week
would really be a burden I think and asking far too much, plus you'd
have to enforce it and police the reports. Its just a bad idea, but it
should be noted in a list such as this.
4) A small "commitee" of sorts. This is something of a combination of
#1 and #2. You centralize the information on a wiki for everyone to
contribute but assign a group of volenteers as over-seers to check
things and makes sure the cracks are filled.
There are other ideas, but I'll leave it at that for now. There are
several options. Given that this isn't the sort of decision that can be
laid in stone so easily, perhaps we'll start with the wiki solution and
see if it sinks or swims. In the meantime it'd be great to hear other
ideas or find out if any specific members of the community would have a
desire to contribute in this way.
benr.
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Re: Re: Seeking an OpenSolaris Celeb
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Feb 15, 2006 10:27 AM
in response to: benr
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Ben,
Just so we make sure everyone is clear, I think you see this weekly roll up as being fairly detailed/technical (e.g., "Bill Rushmore submitted an article about installing OpenSolaris with VMware to the Content project this week. Several people provided edits on the mailing list, and the article will be published ...") and that it will describe the goings on across the OpenSolaris communities and mailing lists on a weekly basis.
The OpenSolaris Newsletter will continue to cover high-level achievements related to the project, and will be published on a monthly basis. Presumably people within the community could suggest content for the newsletter that is taken from the weekly summary. Personally, I think the weekly summary and the newsletter are both valuable on their own, and both should still be done by the respective groups. Hopefully they will complement each other by providing information geared toward slightly different audiences.
I agree that the wiki might be a good place to do this, but what about collaborating through a new/separate project or as part of the content project? I agree with others that multiple people need to contribute to this since anyone who is actually keeping up with all of the mailing lists, projects, and communities won't have time to write a weekly summary of what they've read. :) Anyway, I'm sure you all will determine the best collaborative tools to do this.
- Karyn
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Re: Seeking an OpenSolaris Celeb
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Feb 15, 2006 2:05 AM
in response to: benr
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Very timely Ben I was actually thinking along the same lines but
came up with a slightly different potential solution - one that
is completely complementary to your suggestion.
I was thinking of having a virtual user group meeting monthly.
The virtual part would be done by having a podcast. The podcast
would include at least one presentation from a user group meeting
that happened previously in some physical user group meeting. It
would also pick 2 or 3 of the active communities or projects and
have an interview with 1 or 2 of the members to give an overview
of what they are doing and some status.
Even doing this once a month will be quite a bit of time but I
think it is doable.
Anyone else interested in an OpenSolaris podcast ?
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Re: Seeking an OpenSolaris Celeb
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Feb 15, 2006 5:54 AM
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Darren J Moffat wrote:
> Very timely Ben I was actually thinking along the same lines but
> came up with a slightly different potential solution - one that
> is completely complementary to your suggestion.
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> I was thinking of having a virtual user group meeting monthly.
> The virtual part would be done by having a podcast. The podcast
> would include at least one presentation from a user group meeting
> that happened previously in some physical user group meeting. It
> would also pick 2 or 3 of the active communities or projects and
> have an interview with 1 or 2 of the members to give an overview
> of what they are doing and some status.
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> Even doing this once a month will be quite a bit of time but I
> think it is doable.
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> Anyone else interested in an OpenSolaris podcast ?
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+1
and +1 to proposals 1,2 and 4 from Ben.
The wiki solution in terms of weekly reports sounds like the most
feasible idea.
- Fintan
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Re: Seeking an OpenSolaris Celeb
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Feb 15, 2006 6:11 AM
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I LOVE this idea...and if you look on the wwosug page,
(http://opensolaris.org/os/community/os_user_groups) you see it's been
suggested, and we piloted a call in October.
The next meeting keeps sliding due to availability of speakers--but if
we have any volunteers, lob your name in here and we can get the next
call scheduled immediately!
We use SKYPE for international callers, and attempt to time the call for
best international coverage. We can also podcast the session for the
"library".
I have Stephen O'Grady interested in being our guest speaker at the next
meeting--Who's interested in being in the next call?
LKR
Darren J Moffat wrote:
> Very timely Ben I was actually thinking along the same lines but
> came up with a slightly different potential solution - one that
> is completely complementary to your suggestion.
>
> I was thinking of having a virtual user group meeting monthly.
> The virtual part would be done by having a podcast. The podcast
> would include at least one presentation from a user group meeting
> that happened previously in some physical user group meeting. It
> would also pick 2 or 3 of the active communities or projects and
> have an interview with 1 or 2 of the members to give an overview
> of what they are doing and some status.
>
> Even doing this once a month will be quite a bit of time but I
> think it is doable.
>
> Anyone else interested in an OpenSolaris podcast ?
>
> --
> Darren J Moffat
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Re: Seeking an OpenSolaris Celeb
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Feb 15, 2006 6:15 AM
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Laura Ramsey wrote:
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> I LOVE this idea...and if you look on the wwosug page,
> (http://opensolaris.org/os/community/os_user_groups) you see it's been
> suggested, and we piloted a call in October.
>
> The next meeting keeps sliding due to availability of speakers--but if
> we have any volunteers, lob your name in here and we can get the next
> call scheduled immediately!
I'm up for it. I'd be happy to talk on anything security related.
I have a presentation that I've given at both the Santa Clara
and Dublin User Group meetings.
> We use SKYPE for international callers, and attempt to time the call for
> best international coverage. We can also podcast the session for the
> "library".
While I could use SKYPE I would rather we didn't. Primarily because
it isn't available for running on OpenSolaris natively or even
as far as I can tell under BrandZ (due to the audio requirements). I'd
love to be proven wrong on that though.
However I can't really come up with a better suggestion.
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Bi-weekly roll-up report experiment (Was: Seeking an
OpenSolaris Celeb)
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Feb 15, 2006 2:25 PM
in response to: benr
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I really agree with Ben that with the growth of opensolaris.org there's
a huge need for per-community roll-ups so people can more easily know
what to pay attention to.
On Tue, 14 Feb 2006, Ben Rockwood wrote:
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> ...
> or even better yet, just go for it and lets see how things go...
OK, this prompted me to finally put together a prototype of something
that's been rattling around in my head for a while. See below for a
sample roll-up of tools-discuss. It covers the time period from Feb 1st
to Feb 14th (2 weeks).
I see this as complementary to (and possibly a source of additional
content for) the newsletter and summary initiatives that already exist.
It's based on the notion that individuals can determine the importance
(to them) of the discussions in a community over a period of time (say
2 weeks) from a recap of the following metrics:
- The number and titles of threads or announcements originated by leaders
- Total number of posts, by person, with leaders flagged
- The title and size of all threads
Since this is something that I can now mostly automate, I'll start
doing these bi-weekly for some of the more active forums for a while
and see how it goes and how much people find them useful.
Suggestions, other feedback, offers to help, are more than welcome.
--Eric
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tools-discuss 02/01 - 02/14
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Threads or annoucments originated by leaders during the period:
- Source code hosting implementation, draft
by sch at eng.sun.com (Stephen Hahn)
- Initial DSCM experiences
by Frank.Vanderlinden at Sun.COM (Frank van der Linden)
- Distributed SCM status
by sch at eng.sun.com (Stephen Hahn)
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Size of all threads during period:
Thread size Topic
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19 Source code hosting implementation, draft
19 Initial DSCM experiences
11 Distributed SCM status
2 Distributed SCMs and OpenSolaris
1 Mercurial and OpenSolaris
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Posting activity by person for period:
# of posts Ldr By
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12 * sch at eng.sun.com (Stephen Hahn)
10 oxygene at studentenbude.ath.cx (Patrick Mauritz)
7 * Frank.Vanderlinden at Sun.COM (Frank van der Linden)
4 sommerfeld at sun.com (Bill Sommerfeld)
3 Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM (Glynn Foster)
2 john.levon at sun.com (John Levon)
2 jblack at merconline.com (James Blackwell)
2 dermot.mccluskey at sun.com (Dermot McCluskey)
2 cyril.plisko at gmail.com (Cyril Plisko)
2 bos at serpentine.com (Bryan O'Sullivan)
2 * Bonnie.Corwin at Sun.COM (Bonnie Corwin)
1 richlowe at richlowe.net (Richard Lowe)
1 peter.memishian at sun.com (peter dot memishian at sun dot com)
1 james.d.carlson at Sun.COM (James Carlson)
1 al at logical-approach.com (Al Hopper)
================================================================
Discussion URL: http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/forum.jspa?forumID=9
Main URL: http://opensolaris.org/os/community/tools/
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Re: Bi-weekly roll-up report experiment (Was: Seeking
an OpenSolaris Celeb)
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Feb 15, 2006 2:57 PM
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Very nice indeed! Highly complementary. This sort of data definate
answers the age
old questions "Where is everyone?" very well. The data would need to be
generated on
a weekly basis though, any longer than 1 week and the data isn't
terrably useful because
all the discussions are too old to get involved in, and I see this as
being a great way to
more properly channel interest around the hot topics and perhaps more
importantly, around
the neglected topics.
What I'm not clear about is how this report was generated. Was it by
hand or by some application?
And could we expand it to aggrigate information across all the
discussion groups or just one at a time?
Either way, putting this information into the hands of a group of people
maintaining the weekly news,
and then tacking it to the report for breakout purposes would be
absolutely invaluable!
benr.
Eric Boutilier wrote:
>============================
>tools-discuss 02/01 - 02/14
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>Threads or annoucments originated by leaders during the period:
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>- Source code hosting implementation, draft
> by sch at eng.sun.com (Stephen Hahn)
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>- Initial DSCM experiences
> by Frank.Vanderlinden at Sun.COM (Frank van der Linden)
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>- Distributed SCM status
> by sch at eng.sun.com (Stephen Hahn)
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>================================================================
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>Size of all threads during period:
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>Thread size Topic
>----------- -----
> 19 Source code hosting implementation, draft
> 19 Initial DSCM experiences
> 11 Distributed SCM status
> 2 Distributed SCMs and OpenSolaris
> 1 Mercurial and OpenSolaris
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>Posting activity by person for period:
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># of posts Ldr By
>---------- --- ------------------------------------------------
> 12 * sch at eng.sun.com (Stephen Hahn)
> 10 oxygene at studentenbude.ath.cx (Patrick Mauritz)
> 7 * Frank.Vanderlinden at Sun.COM (Frank van der Linden)
> 4 sommerfeld at sun.com (Bill Sommerfeld)
> 3 Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM (Glynn Foster)
> 2 john.levon at sun.com (John Levon)
> 2 jblack at merconline.com (James Blackwell)
> 2 dermot.mccluskey at sun.com (Dermot McCluskey)
> 2 cyril.plisko at gmail.com (Cyril Plisko)
> 2 bos at serpentine.com (Bryan O'Sullivan)
> 2 * Bonnie.Corwin at Sun.COM (Bonnie Corwin)
> 1 richlowe at richlowe.net (Richard Lowe)
> 1 peter.memishian at sun.com (peter dot memishian at sun dot com)
> 1 james.d.carlson at Sun.COM (James Carlson)
> 1 al at logical-approach.com (Al Hopper)
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>Discussion URL: http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/forum.jspa?forumID=9
>Main URL: http://opensolaris.org/os/community/tools/
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Re: Bi-weekly roll-up report experiment (Was: Seeking
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Feb 15, 2006 6:43 PM
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Ben Rockwood wrote:
> Very nice indeed! Highly complementary.
Cool!
> This sort of data definate answers the age old questions "Where is
> everyone?" very well. The data would need to be generated
> on a weekly basis though, any longer than 1 week and the
> data isn't terrably useful because all the discussions are
> too old to get involved in, and I see this as being a great
> way to more properly channel interest around the hot topics
> and perhaps more importantly, around the neglected topics.
>
> What I'm not clear about is how this report was generated. Was it
> by hand or by some application?
It's actually just done via some rather crude mbox/header munging using
tools such perl, uniq, sort, and the formail (comes with procmail)
header munging/extraction tool, and then finished off with some (too
much actually) manual touchups. E.g. filtering which original posts are
made by leaders and also the flagging of leaders in the last part of
the report is currently almost 100% manually done.
The mbox format of the forums is available from the mailman archives.
I'll see how much further I can automate it to try and get the frequency
down to weekly instead of bi-weekly.
> And could we expand it to aggrigate
> information across all the discussion groups or just one at a time?
I think some of it lends itself to aggregation. I'll fiddle around
with that.
Thanks for the feedback!
Eric
>
> Either way, putting this information into the hands of
> a group of people maintaining the weekly news, and then
> tacking it to the report for breakout purposes would be
> absolutely invaluable!
>
> benr.
>
>
> Eric Boutilier wrote:
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> >============================
> >tools-discuss 02/01 - 02/14
> >============================
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> >Threads or annoucments originated by leaders during the period:
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> >- Source code hosting implementation, draft
> > by sch at eng.sun.com (Stephen Hahn)
> >
> >- Initial DSCM experiences
> > by Frank.Vanderlinden at Sun.COM (Frank van der Linden)
> >
> >- Distributed SCM status
> > by sch at eng.sun.com (Stephen Hahn)
> >
> >================================================================
> >
> >Size of all threads during period:
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> >Thread size Topic
> >----------- -----
> > 19 Source code hosting implementation, draft
> > 19 Initial DSCM experiences
> > 11 Distributed SCM status
> > 2 Distributed SCMs and OpenSolaris
> > 1 Mercurial and OpenSolaris
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> >================================================================
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> >Posting activity by person for period:
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> ># of posts Ldr By
> >---------- --- ------------------------------------------------
> > 12 * sch at eng.sun.com (Stephen Hahn)
> > 10 oxygene at studentenbude.ath.cx (Patrick Mauritz)
> > 7 * Frank.Vanderlinden at Sun.COM (Frank van der Linden)
> > 4 sommerfeld at sun.com (Bill Sommerfeld)
> > 3 Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM (Glynn Foster)
> > 2 john.levon at sun.com (John Levon)
> > 2 jblack at merconline.com (James Blackwell)
> > 2 dermot.mccluskey at sun.com (Dermot McCluskey)
> > 2 cyril.plisko at gmail.com (Cyril Plisko)
> > 2 bos at serpentine.com (Bryan O'Sullivan)
> > 2 * Bonnie.Corwin at Sun.COM (Bonnie Corwin)
> > 1 richlowe at richlowe.net (Richard Lowe)
> > 1 peter.memishian at sun.com (peter dot memishian at sun dot com)
> > 1 james.d.carlson at Sun.COM (James Carlson)
> > 1 al at logical-approach.com (Al Hopper)
> >
> >================================================================
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> >Discussion URL: http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/forum.jspa?forumID=9
> >Main URL: http://opensolaris.org/os/community/tools/
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Re: Bi-weekly roll-up report experiment (Was: Seeking
an OpenSolaris Celeb)
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Feb 15, 2006 7:04 PM
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On 2/15/06, Eric Boutilier <Eric dot Boutilier at sun dot com> wrote:
> Ben Rockwood wrote:
> > Very nice indeed! Highly complementary.
>
> Cool!
>
This is great work Eric. Can you get this output in a HTML format and
the nmaybe Derek can make it show up directly in an web page somewhere
? Heck, maybe you can script it and cronjob it and then we have
something very cool.
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> Can you get this output in a HTML format...
Well, if nothing else, for now we can always just put <pre></pre> tags
around the plain text output.
> and the nmaybe Derek can make it show up directly in an web page somewhere
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>
I don't see why not, but I'm not sure which web page would be best...
>? Heck, maybe you can script it and cronjob it and then we have
>something very cool.
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>
Yeah that's kinda what I had in mind eventually. It's 90% scripted now
in fact, but I don't know when it'll be 100%. I'll be posting the code
somewhere soon. Due to using formail and the parsing power of perl and
other UNIX text utils, there's actually not much to it.
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>>This sort of data definate answers the age old questions "Where is
>>everyone?" very well. The data would need to be generated
>>on a weekly basis though, any longer than 1 week and the
>>data isn't terrably useful because all the discussions are
>>too old to get involved in, and I see this as being a great
>>way to more properly channel interest around the hot topics
>>and perhaps more importantly, around the neglected topics.
>>
>>What I'm not clear about is how this report was generated. Was it
>>by hand or by some application?
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>It's actually just done via some rather crude mbox/header munging using
>tools such perl, uniq, sort, and the formail (comes with procmail)
>header munging/extraction tool, and then finished off with some (too
>much actually) manual touchups. E.g. filtering which original posts are
>made by leaders and also the flagging of leaders in the last part of
>the report is currently almost 100% manually done.
>
>The mbox format of the forums is available from the mailman archives.
>
>I'll see how much further I can automate it to try and get the frequency
>down to weekly instead of bi-weekly.
>
>
This is genius Eric! I had figured that if someone was going to do
everything
by hand the "easiest" way would be to just sign onto all the lists,
filter them,
and then using an advanced mail client like Thunderbird, oraganize them,
search
them, etc.... but, I never considered the option of simply automating that
whole process. This presents a very wide range of options that could be
really handy.
Frankly, we could end up creating a small project just for such a thing.
Very kool indeed.
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> I see this as complementary to (and possibly a source of additional
> content for) the newsletter and summary initiatives that already exist.
Very nice, Eric. I'd love to include some of this data in the
newsletter, but I'm even more interested in some commentary about the
data. In other words, what does it mean? Why should I care? What are the
trends emerging this week (or month, etc)? Would you be interested in
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think it would make a good section in the newsletter we can track monthly.
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> ============================
> tools-discuss 02/01 - 02/14
> ============================
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> Threads or annoucments originated by leaders during the period:
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> - Source code hosting implementation, draft
> by sch at eng.sun.com (Stephen Hahn)
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> - Initial DSCM experiences
> by Frank.Vanderlinden at Sun.COM (Frank van der Linden)
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> - Distributed SCM status
> by sch at eng.sun.com (Stephen Hahn)
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> ================================================================
>
> Size of all threads during period:
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> Thread size Topic
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> 19 Source code hosting implementation, draft
> 19 Initial DSCM experiences
> 11 Distributed SCM status
> 2 Distributed SCMs and OpenSolaris
> 1 Mercurial and OpenSolaris
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> ================================================================
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> Posting activity by person for period:
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> # of posts Ldr By
> ---------- --- ------------------------------------------------
> 12 * sch at eng.sun.com (Stephen Hahn)
> 10 oxygene at studentenbude.ath.cx (Patrick Mauritz)
> 7 * Frank.Vanderlinden at Sun.COM (Frank van der Linden)
> 4 sommerfeld at sun.com (Bill Sommerfeld)
> 3 Glynn.Foster at Sun.COM (Glynn Foster)
> 2 john.levon at sun.com (John Levon)
> 2 jblack at merconline.com (James Blackwell)
> 2 dermot.mccluskey at sun.com (Dermot McCluskey)
> 2 cyril.plisko at gmail.com (Cyril Plisko)
> 2 bos at serpentine.com (Bryan O'Sullivan)
> 2 * Bonnie.Corwin at Sun.COM (Bonnie Corwin)
> 1 richlowe at richlowe.net (Richard Lowe)
> 1 peter.memishian at sun.com (peter dot memishian at sun dot com)
> 1 james.d.carlson at Sun.COM (James Carlson)
> 1 al at logical-approach.com (Al Hopper)
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hi all,
due to my research activity, I will be very happy to contribute both to the bi-weekly roll-up report and to the newsletter. I think these ideas are very good (and I'm planning to do something similar for my research, so it is "natural" for me to agree and contribute).
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Jim Grisanzio wrote:
>Eric Boutilier wrote:
>
>
>
>>I see this as complementary to (and possibly a source of additional
>>content for) the newsletter and summary initiatives that already exist.
>>
>>
>
>Very nice, Eric. I'd love to include some of this data in the
>newsletter, but I'm even more interested in some commentary about the
>data. In other words, what does it mean? Why should I care? What are the
>trends emerging this week (or month, etc)? Would you be interested in
>offering that as well? Just a few thoughts would cover it, I think. I
>think it would make a good section in the newsletter we can track monthly.
>
>Jim
>
>
Excellent point, and I'd be glad to add some thoughts for what it's worth.
But let's also try and solicit "insider commentary" on the output though
-- which is to say comments from leaders or other members closely tied
into the communities that the reports are covering -- because it would
be way more valid that way, obviously.
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Eric Boutilier wrote:
> Jim Grisanzio wrote:
>
>> Eric Boutilier wrote:
>
> Excellent point, and I'd be glad to add some thoughts for what it's worth.
It's worth a lot. My thinking is simply that you are doing this;
therefore, you are following it closely and know more than I do so you
should comment on it. :)
> But let's also try and solicit "insider commentary" on the output though
> -- which is to say comments from leaders or other members closely tied
> into the communities that the reports are covering -- because it would
> be way more valid that way, obviously.
Absolutely. I'd love some commentary from whoever is interested in
providing it. People are welcome to propose ideas for new sections to
the newsletter, add to what's already there, provide quotes and
anecdotes, etc.
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Couple changes I'm going to try with this:
- Doing them semi-monthly instead of bi-weekly. Therefore, the ones
that I'm about to post will cover from 02/19 (picking up where the
last ones left off) to 02/28 (the last day of Feb). Then the next
batch will cover 03/01 to 03/15, etc...
- Following a suggestion made by Artem Kachitchkine, I'm going to send
this batch all at once to see if that's better.
Just a reminder, I'm not doing all the forums, just the technology-based
ones, and of those, the top 10 or so... for now anyway.
Suggestions, offers to help, welcome.
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Hey,
I wonder if it's worth creating a new list for this, especially if
you've got the process almost automated? Perhaps opensolaris-summaries
or something?
Glynn
On Mon, 2006-03-06 at 13:25 -0600, Eric Boutilier wrote:
> Couple changes I'm going to try with this:
>
> - Doing them semi-monthly instead of bi-weekly. Therefore, the ones
> that I'm about to post will cover from 02/19 (picking up where the
> last ones left off) to 02/28 (the last day of Feb). Then the next
> batch will cover 03/01 to 03/15, etc...
>
> - Following a suggestion made by Artem Kachitchkine, I'm going to send
> this batch all at once to see if that's better.
>
> Just a reminder, I'm not doing all the forums, just the technology-based
> ones, and of those, the top 10 or so... for now anyway.
>
> Suggestions, offers to help, welcome.
>
> Eric
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Glynn Foster wrote:
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>On Mon, 2006-03-06 at 13:25 -0600, Eric Boutilier wrote:
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>
>>Couple changes I'm going to try with this:
>>
>>- Doing them semi-monthly instead of bi-weekly. Therefore, the ones
>> that I'm about to post will cover from 02/19 (picking up where the
>> last ones left off) to 02/28 (the last day of Feb). Then the next
>> batch will cover 03/01 to 03/15, etc...
>>
>>- Following a suggestion made by Artem Kachitchkine, I'm going to send
>> this batch all at once to see if that's better.
>>
>>Just a reminder, I'm not doing all the forums, just the technology-based
>>ones, and of those, the top 10 or so... for now anyway.
>>
>>Suggestions, offers to help, welcome.
>>
>>Eric
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> Hey,
> I wonder if it's worth creating a new list for this, especially if
> you've got the process almost automated? Perhaps opensolaris-summaries
> or something?
> Glynn
Also, in another post, John Levon wrote:
== I thought you'd agreed these should go somewhere else than a widely-read
== general opensolaris mailing list...
John, I misunderstood and made the reports available elsewhere (RSS/XML feed) in addition to here because so many people prefer to forgo this list; but I see now that you were suggesting posting them elsewhere instead of here...
I'll do whatever people want of course. Here are some options I'll throw out, off the top of my head:
1. Create another list as Glynn suggested
2. Don't post them to a list
a. Post them to a page on opensolaris.org instead
b. Post them to my blog instead
3. Don't change anything (keep posting them here)
4. other...?
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On Mon, Mar 06, 2006 at 09:44:32PM -0600, Eric Boutilier wrote:
> Also, in another post, John Levon wrote:
>
> == I thought you'd agreed these should go somewhere else than a
> widely-read
> == general opensolaris mailing list...
>
> John, I misunderstood and made the reports available elsewhere (RSS/XML
> feed) in addition to here because so many people prefer to forgo this list;
> but I see now that you were suggesting posting them elsewhere instead of
> here...
OK, no problem.
> 1. Create another list as Glynn suggested
> 2. Don't post them to a list
> a. Post them to a page on opensolaris.org instead
> b. Post them to my blog instead
> 3. Don't change anything (keep posting them here)
> 4. other...?
Personally this seems well-suited to the marketing metrics page on
opensolaris.org
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Hey,
On Mon, 2006-03-06 at 21:44 -0600, Eric Boutilier wrote:
> John, I misunderstood and made the reports available elsewhere
> (RSS/XML feed) in addition to here because so many people prefer to
> forgo this list; but I see now that you were suggesting posting them
> elsewhere instead of here...
>
> I'll do whatever people want of course. Here are some options I'll
> throw out, off the top of my head:
>
> 1. Create another list as Glynn suggested
> 2. Don't post them to a list
> a. Post them to a page on opensolaris.org instead
> b. Post them to my blog instead
> 3. Don't change anything (keep posting them here)
> 4. other...?
So my vote would be for 1 - create a new list. If we could somehow
automate the task completely, and set up some clever mailman hooks for
all lists on opensolaris.org to be summarized on a regular basis [1],
that would certainly be a great way of connecting the community. You
could probably create some RSS feeds from that base too.
Totally your call though, given that you've put the work in ;)
Glynn
[1] Hrm, I wonder if this could be part of #6365850
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Glynn Foster wrote:
>Hey,
>
>On Mon, 2006-03-06 at 21:44 -0600, Eric Boutilier wrote:
>
>
>>John, I misunderstood and made the reports available elsewhere
>>(RSS/XML feed) in addition to here because so many people prefer to
>>forgo this list; but I see now that you were suggesting posting them
>>elsewhere instead of here...
>>
>>I'll do whatever people want of course. Here are some options I'll
>>throw out, off the top of my head:
>>
>>1. Create another list as Glynn suggested
>>2. Don't post them to a list
>> a. Post them to a page on opensolaris.org instead
>> b. Post them to my blog instead
>>3. Don't change anything (keep posting them here)
>>4. other...?
>>
>>
>
>... If we could somehow automate the task completely,
>
Couldn't agree more, and that's one of the reasons why I posted the
code. (IOW, I need an expert script programmer's help to get it across
the finish line, or do a re-write from scratch.)
>and set up some clever mailman hooks for all lists on opensolaris.org
>
Actually, that *I* can do.
>... You could probably create some RSS feeds from that base too.
>
>
Completely agree. By the way, I'm doing feeds for the current reports
already. See:
http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/opensolaris-discuss/2006-February/013527.html
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Eric Boutilier wrote:
> I'll do whatever people want of course. Here are some options I'll throw
> out, off the top of my head:
>
> 1. Create another list as Glynn suggested
> 2. Don't post them to a list
> a. Post them to a page on opensolaris.org instead
> b. Post them to my blog instead
> 3. Don't change anything (keep posting them here)
> 4. other...?
Here's another suggestion:
If you are following, say, 10 lists, how about sending each roll-up mail
to the specific list on which it reports? This way the emails are
distributed among many lists and not concentrated all on
opensolaris-discuss. So, the Zones report is sent to the Zones list
only, not to opensolaris-discuss. The DTrace roll-up is sent to the
DTrace list only, not to opensolaris-discuss, etc. Then, maybe send one
mail to opensolaris-discuss summarizing the data and listing the links
to the 10 individual reports sent to the lists you are following.
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On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 02:54:52PM -0800, Jim Grisanzio wrote:
> If you are following, say, 10 lists, how about sending each roll-up mail
> to the specific list on which it reports? This way the emails are
If you're on the list, why would you need to know what's on the list? You've
been reading it already (this is why I'm not interested in the roll-ups
anyway...)
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john levon wrote:
>On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 02:54:52PM -0800, Jim Grisanzio wrote:
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>
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>>If you are following, say, 10 lists, how about sending each roll-up mail
>>to the specific list on which it reports? This way the emails are
>>
>>
>
>If you're on the list, why would you need to know what's on the list? You've
>been reading it already
>
Because it's an aggregated recap of 2 weeks worth of list activity. I
agree, some will choose to bypass it, but I think some would welcome it too.
Eric
>(this is why I'm not interested in the roll-ups
>anyway...)
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On Fri, 2006-03-10 at 23:47, Eric Boutilier wrote:
> >If you're on the list, why would you need to know what's on the list? You've
> >been reading it already
> >
>
> Because it's an aggregated recap of 2 weeks worth of list activity. I
> agree, some will choose to bypass it, but I think some would welcome it too.
Well, I'm really interested in the roll-ups for those lists
that I'm *not* on. There are a number of lists that I wouldn't
mind keeping an eye on, but not at the level of a full
subscription. These sort of roll-up posts would be an ideal way
of making sure that if something really interesting did come up
then I wouldn't miss it completely.
In olden times, mailing lists offered you the regular or digest
(all batched up) view. What I really want is to subscribe to
the weekly roll-up option for a set of lists...
--
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Hi,
On Mon, 2006-03-13 at 10:38 +0000, Peter Tribble wrote:
> On Fri, 2006-03-10 at 23:47, Eric Boutilier wrote:
>
> > >If you're on the list, why would you need to know what's on the list? You've
> > >been reading it already
> > >
> >
> > Because it's an aggregated recap of 2 weeks worth of list activity. I
> > agree, some will choose to bypass it, but I think some would welcome it too.
>
> Well, I'm really interested in the roll-ups for those lists
> that I'm *not* on. There are a number of lists that I wouldn't
> mind keeping an eye on, but not at the level of a full
> subscription. These sort of roll-up posts would be an ideal way
> of making sure that if something really interesting did come up
> then I wouldn't miss it completely.
>
> In olden times, mailing lists offered you the regular or digest
> (all batched up) view. What I really want is to subscribe to
> the weekly roll-up option for a set of lists...
+1 - this sort of autogenerated summary should really have a separate
mailing list and RSS feed, rather than sending them to the original
mailing lists since that's the actual point of doing them in the first
place ;)
People who aren't interested in certain lists can easily filter out in
their mail client.
For example, we have commit hooks in GNOME so that *all* commits to
cvs.gnome.org get sent to a mailing list [1]. It's a seriously great way
of keeping in touch with development - I filter out a bunch of stuff
that I don't care about.
Glynn
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Glynn Foster wrote:
>Hi,
>
>On Mon, 2006-03-13 at 10:38 +0000, Peter Tribble wrote:
>
>
>>On Fri, 2006-03-10 at 23:47, Eric Boutilier wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>>If you're on the list, why would you need to know what's on the list? You've
>>>>been reading it already
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Because it's an aggregated recap of 2 weeks worth of list activity. I
>>>agree, some will choose to bypass it, but I think some would welcome it too.
>>>
>>>
>>Well, I'm really interested in the roll-ups for those lists
>>that I'm *not* on. There are a number of lists that I wouldn't
>>mind keeping an eye on, but not at the level of a full
>>subscription. These sort of roll-up posts would be an ideal way
>>of making sure that if something really interesting did come up
>>then I wouldn't miss it completely.
>>
>>In olden times, mailing lists offered you the regular or digest
>>(all batched up) view. What I really want is to subscribe to
>>the weekly roll-up option for a set of lists...
>>
>>
>
>+1 - this sort of autogenerated summary...
>
BTW, they're still not quite autogenerated. It took me about an hour to
post the last batch (12 of them I think).
> should really have a separate mailing list....
>
When it comes to the idea of creating a separate list for this, I agree
with Ignacio that we should be as conservative as possible about
creating additional lists on opensolaris.org, and in light of the
alternative suggestions here, creating a new list doesn't seem justified
IMO.
> and RSS feed,
>
In case anyone missed the post I made a while back, an RSS feed exists here:
http://del.icio.us/rss/bootblog/oss:rollups
(RSS is the easy part of all this because no matter what we end up
doing, the unique URL of each report can be tagged on Delicious... or
Furl, or whatever.)
>rather than sending them to the original
>mailing lists since that's the actual point of doing them in the first
>place ;)
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>
>
I still think a lot of people would welcome them being posted to their
respective lists -- especially since they'll only come in twice a month
and the title will be easy to recognize and pattern-match.
Eric
>People who aren't interested in certain lists can easily filter out in
>their mail client.
>
>For example, we have commit hooks in GNOME so that *all* commits to
>cvs.gnome.org get sent to a mailing list [1]. It's a seriously great way
>of keeping in touch with development - I filter out a bunch of stuff
>that I don't care about.
>
>
>Glynn
>
>[1] http://mail.gnome.org/archives/cvs-commits-list/2006-March/date.html
>
>
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Re: Bi-weekly roll-up report experiment
Posted:
Mar 13, 2006 8:28 AM
in response to: ptribble
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Peter Tribble wrote:
>On Fri, 2006-03-10 at 23:47, Eric Boutilier wrote:
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>>>If you're on the list, why would you need to know what's on the list? You've
>>>been reading it already
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>>Because it's an aggregated recap of 2 weeks worth of list activity. I
>>agree, some will choose to bypass it, but I think some would welcome it too.
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>Well, I'm really interested in the roll-ups for those lists
>that I'm *not* on. There are a number of lists that I wouldn't
>mind keeping an eye on, but not at the level of a full
>subscription. These sort of roll-up posts would be an ideal way
>of making sure that if something really interesting did come up
>then I wouldn't miss it completely.
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+1. Jim's suggestion takes this into account, BTW, because a single
message with links to all the newly posted roll-up reports would be sent
to opensolaris-discuss.
>In olden times, mailing lists offered you the regular or digest
>(all batched up) view. What I really want is to subscribe to
>the weekly roll-up option for a set of lists...
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I'm not sure of a simple way to do that... (That is, if you're talking
about e-mail subscriptions, if you're talking about RSS subscriptions,
that probably would be easy to do.)
Eric
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Re: Re: Bi-weekly roll-up report experiment
Posted:
Mar 10, 2006 7:50 AM
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On 3/9/06, Jim Grisanzio <Jim dot Grisanzio at sun dot com> wrote:
> Eric Boutilier wrote:
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> > I'll do whatever people want of course. Here are some options I'll throw
> > out, off the top of my head:
> >
> > 1. Create another list as Glynn suggested
> > 2. Don't post them to a list
> > a. Post them to a page on opensolaris.org instead
> > b. Post them to my blog instead
> > 3. Don't change anything (keep posting them here)
> > 4. other...?
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> Here's another suggestion:
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> If you are following, say, 10 lists, how about sending each roll-up mail
> to the specific list on which it reports? This way the emails are
> distributed among many lists and not concentrated all on
> opensolaris-discuss. So, the Zones report is sent to the Zones list
> only, not to opensolaris-discuss. The DTrace roll-up is sent to the
> DTrace list only, not to opensolaris-discuss, etc. Then, maybe send one
> mail to opensolaris-discuss summarizing the data and listing the links
> to the 10 individual reports sent to the lists you are following.
>
creating another list doesn't seem like a great idea, there are far
too many already and that is the reason we started with these reports
in the first place. I think the best approach is posting them
regularly to the opensolaris.org web page. The reports are a good way
to let outsiders know what the opensolaris community as a whole is
talking about without having them sign up to the list or search the
jive forums. A link in the opensolaris front page pointing to these
reports that is easily accesible would be cool too:
nacho
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Re: Bi-weekly roll-up report experiment
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Ignacio Marambio Catán wrote:
>On 3/9/06, Jim Grisanzio <Jim dot Grisanzio at sun dot com> wrote:
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>>Eric Boutilier wrote:
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>>
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>>>I'll do whatever people want of course. Here are some options I'll throw
>>>out, off the top of my head:
>>>
>>>1. Create another list as Glynn suggested
>>>2. Don't post them to a list
>>> a. Post them to a page on opensolaris.org instead
>>> b. Post them to my blog instead
>>>3. Don't change anything (keep posting them here)
>>>4. other...?
>>>
>>>
>>Here's another suggestion:
>>
>>If you are following, say, 10 lists, how about sending each roll-up mail
>>to the specific list on which it reports? This way the emails are
>>distributed among many lists and not concentrated all on
>>opensolaris-discuss. So, the Zones report is sent to the Zones list
>>only, not to opensolaris-discuss. The DTrace roll-up is sent to the
>>DTrace list only, not to opensolaris-discuss, etc. Then, maybe send one
>>mail to opensolaris-discuss summarizing the data and listing the links
>>to the 10 individual reports sent to the lists you are following.
>>
>>
+1 to Jim's idea.
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>>
>creating another list doesn't seem like a great idea, there are far
>too many already
>
Jim wasn't proposing creating another list though.
Eric
> and that is the reason we started with these reports
>in the first place. I think the best approach is posting them
>regularly to the opensolaris.org web page. The reports are a good way
>to let outsiders know what the opensolaris community as a whole is
>talking about without having them sign up to the list or search the
>jive forums. A link in the opensolaris front page pointing to these
>reports that is easily accesible would be cool too:
>
>nacho
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