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jh118764

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[docs-discuss] Getting Started With OpenSolaris Review Copy Posted
Posted: Apr 24, 2009 1:33 PM

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Hi,

I've posted a review copy of the new/revised Getting Started With
OpenSolaris Guide for 2009.06.

Please provide review comments/inputs to this thread:

http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=101120

You can find a PDF copy for review in the following location:


http://opensolaris.org/os/community/documentation/reviews/GSG_200906_Review.pdf


**Thursday, April 29 or sooner. if possible**

While reviewing, please keep in mind the following:

* This document is multi-purposed.
- It is published as HTML and supports the 2009.06 release.
- It is translated into multiple languages.
- It is re-formatted, printed, and bound in minibook format (like the
one displayed on this page: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/documentation/).

This hard copy is handed out at various public events.

* This version of the document has been overhauled from previous
versions and largely adheres to the outline posted in this thread:
http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=98151&tstart=0


* Chapter 1 is essentially frozen, as it has already gone through a
review cycle and has been handed off to G11N for translation and
integrated for inclusion on the live CD.

* The audience is the user who generally wants to learn about and use
OpenSolaris. More specicially, the user who wants to:
- Get some background on OpenSolaris
- Experiment with the Live CD
- Install OpenSolaris
- Set up basic development / computing environment
- Learn concepts about using OpenSolaris that are unique to it

Thanks in advance for your participation and help in finalizing this doc.
====================

Nita Heieck
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alanm

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Re: [docs-discuss] Getting Started With OpenSolaris Review Copy Posted
Posted: Apr 24, 2009 2:28 PM   in response to: jh118764
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A couple of corrections/clarifications:

* Please reply to this thread with review comments.

* Also, the document can be found directly from here:

http://opensolaris.org/os/community/documentation/reviews/GSG_200906_Review.pdf

wleonard

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Posted: Apr 27, 2009 11:00 AM   in response to: alanm

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Here's my feedback Alan:

p9.
You can install the current OpenSolaris release on your system from the OpenSolaris Live
CD. Or, you can download a bootable image of the OpenSolaris operating system and run it
in a virtual machine on your system.
You don't need to download  the iso to install in a vm - it can also be done from the Live CD (which is correctly addressed later on). Maybe something like: "You can install the current OpenSolaris release on your system from the OpenSolaris Live CD. To create the Live CD, you can download a bootable image of the OpenSolaris operating system. If your plans are to install OpenSolaris in a virtual machine, it can be installed from the bootable image directly (no need to create the physical CD). An image is..."

p9.
"for install and manage" should be "to install and manage"

p10.
Select a build version with components for managing or creating your own custom OpenSolaris image.
What are you getting at here? Is this bullet necessary?

p15.

The number of installation options seems overly complex. I would suggest:
  • To install the OpenSolaris 2009.06 release from the Live CD onto your system, ...
  • To install the OpenSolaris 2009.06 release into a virtual machine, see...
  • To upgrade from an earlier OpenSolaris release to the OpenSolaris 2008.06 release, see...
And then I would create a separate section dedicated to each option.

p19.
Select a build version with components for managing or creating your own custom OpenSolaris image.
This reference seems kind of silly since we're already on p19 and the DDU is the next topic. Can't we just say "which is described next"?

p21.
I didn't notice it mentioned anywhere that the OpenSolaris partition needed to be primary. This should probably be noted.

p26.
You can resize existing partitions, delete partitions, and create new partitions in this panel.
In the 2nd bullet, you discuss the ramifications of this. Instead, I think the 2nd bullet should be a note that's part of the first bullet. Given the limitations of the OpenSolaris partitioner, it's unlikely that anyone would use it.

p29.
You can resize existing partitions, delete partitions, and create new partitions in this panel.
Unfortunately not true. Please see: http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=64

p30.
Howto Install from the Live CDifYour SystemBoots in Console Mode
Is this topic really necessary for the GSG? It seems like it should just be on a wiki somewhere.

p31.
The VirtualBox software supports the following host operating systems.
For completeness, OpenSolaris should also be in this list.

p32.
Why are we pointing folks to the Sun Download Center rather than VirtualBox.org? Shouldn't we at least be consistent (point them there for OpenSolaris too)?

p36.
If you are using a downloaded OpenSolaris ISO image, select ISO Image File, then proceed to Step 11.
As Step 11 is the next step, why not just include this information right here and be done w/ it? Especially because there is no step 12.

p36.
You walk the reader through starting the Live CD, but why is this specific to VirtualBox? The same steps need to happen when doing a native installation. You can probably just skip them altogether (like you do in the next section, "Running OpenSolaris in Parallels").

p40.
The quickest way to obtain essential information about your network is to look at theNetwork
Status panel icon that is displayed in the panel notification area of theGNOMEDesktop at all
times.
Since the icon's are so small, it would be worth including them in the guide (both NIC and wirless examples for the Network Monitor).

p42.
The snapshot of the Package Manger GUI appears outdated (2008.11).

p43.
The default repository for the release is the opensolaris.org repository
Shouldn't it be "opensolaris.org/release"

p43.
Before you use this repository, refer to the release notes at
I would suggesting putting a bit more of a warning here, as setting up this repository will take you off of the tested and supported 2009.06 release. You'll be running development builds of the operating system, which isn't recommended for most. I would suggest adding a "caution" in bold as you did with contrib and moving it to the bottom of the list.

p44.
I would format the caution on the pending repository just as you did on contrib. Pending is even more dangerous than contrib.

p47.
These profiles are assigned to special user accounts that are called roles.
But profiles can also be assigned to users. The question that's unclear is the difference b/w a profile and a role (as both can be assigned to users).

p47.
Predefined profiles are also included in the OpenSolaris software.
I thought all profiles were predefined. Maybe "The profiles in OpenSolaris are predefined."

p47.
The Primary Administrator profile has all authorizations assigned to it, so the profile is effectively the
same as assuming the root role on a system.
So sorta to my question above, is there an advantage to one approach over the other? Is there a reason I would "pfexec su" versus "pfsh"? Unfortunately, I don't know the answers to these questions myself (but Christoph Schuba would).

p48.
"Roles and profiles can also be assigned"

p52.
The services that can be viewed and managed in the desktop depend on the authorizations that
are assigned to the user account and the service itself.

Many SMF services have the solaris.smf.manage.service authorizations associated with them,
which allows you to manage just that service.

In addition, the following profiles are associated with managing services:
  • ServiceManagement profile: This profile allows you to manage or modify the properties onany service.
  • Service Operator profile: This profile allows you to enable or disable any service, but not modify the properties of the service.
I'm not sure all of this detail is necessary in the GSG. As a new user with the System Administrator profile, I will not have to worry about any of this.

Also, Do you know if 2009.06 is shipping with the visual panels (as the Toshiba's did)? If so, the UI is quite different (for the better).

Also, you cover the command line for services but not IPS. I think we should be consistent.

p60.
pfexec pkg image-update
  •  Alternately, you can use the pkg image-update command to perform that same task.
$ pkg image-update [-nv]
Both commands are the same and only need to be listed once.


p63.
In addition, starting with the OpenSolaris 2009.06 release, you can use the PackageManager
to manage your boot environments as follows:
This can also be done with 2008.11.

p68.
Then, execute the add_drv
If you're going to give this much detail, it's probably useful to also provide an example.

p73.
Why only a beadm command reference. I would think you'd want to reference 'pkg' and 'svcs' and 'svcadm' as well. This may address the issue I raised above. You can cover the GUIs in the main text and then refer to the appendix for the command reference (including some examples).


Regards,
Brian

alan mcclellan wrote:
<pre wrap="">A couple of corrections/clarifications: * Please reply to this thread with review comments. * Also, the document can be found directly from here: http://opensolaris.org/os/community/documentation/reviews/GSG_200906_Review.pdf </pre>

<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- William Brian Leonard Technology Evangelist 408.404.6884 http://blogs.sun.com/observatory </pre>
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alanm

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Re: [docs-discuss] Getting Started With OpenSolaris Review Copy Posted
Posted: Apr 24, 2009 2:44 PM   in response to: jh118764
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Review comments on behalf of community member via Dan Price...

=================================
A community member via IRC let me know about a bug in this
doc:
http://opensolaris.org/os/community/documentation/reviews/GSG_200906_Review.pdf

As I looked at it, I spotted some more problems. On page 44:

REPOSITORY URL REPOSITORY DESCRIPTION
http://pkg.opensolaris.org/support Contains newer versions of packages
that are regularly updated, based
on the discovery and remedy of defects
in the released product

http://pkg.opensolaris.org/extra Contains software that is
available under end-user
license terms that does
not allow further distribution.


The URLS are very wrong:

https://pkg.sun.com/opensolaris/support
^ ^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

https://pkg.sun.com/opensolaris/extra
^ ^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Also, no mention of the need for a cert/key pair for extra.

In general, this text seems a bit off, as it says:

"The Package Manager connects to networked repositories to access software
packages. You can start by going to https://pkg.sun.com/. Log in with your Sun
ID and password to access encumbered packages. If you do not have a Sun ID and
password, you can register for an online account on this site."

Which doesn't quite seem like the way to "start" to me...
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jh118764

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Re: [docs-discuss] Getting Started With OpenSolaris Review Copy Posted
Posted: Apr 24, 2009 3:10 PM   in response to: jh118764
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Thanks for catching the incorrect URLS. Two tables with similar information
(one had URL, one had just the repo name) were merged, and a couple
of pieces of information, were documented incorrectly,
namely the two URLs and absence of the
information about needing a cert for the extra repo.

Will be sure to fix and check the URL information thoroughly.

Thanks again for the comments!

Nita

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Re: [docs-discuss] Getting Started With OpenSolaris Review Copy Posted
Posted: Apr 25, 2009 11:03 AM   in response to: jh118764
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HI
I noticed that this doc mentions about Time Slider feature. But, in my recent experience , to use this feature successfully, you will need to have zfssnap role enabled. Unfortunately, this role is not enabled by default for the default 'Primary Administrator' user. I wish, if this was enable by default within official 2009.06. If not, we should at least document this. Any thoughts from experts .

- Sriram

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Re: [docs-discuss] Getting Started With OpenSolaris Review Copy Posted
Posted: Apr 25, 2009 11:05 AM   in response to: srinatar

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On 4/25/2009 1:03 PM, Sriram Natarajan wrote:
> HI
> I noticed that this doc mentions about Time Slider feature. But, in my recent experience , to use this feature successfully, you will need to have zfssnap role enabled. Unfortunately, this role is not enabled by default for the default 'Primary Administrator' user. I wish, if this was enable by default within official 2009.06. If not, we should at least document this. Any thoughts from experts .
>
> - Sriram
>
Unless the final spin has fixed it (B111a is current and I can't speak
of if there'll be a b) then yes, it needs to be since the GUI exposes
the feature.

- James
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gman

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Re: [docs-discuss] Getting Started With OpenSolaris Review Copy Posted
Posted: Apr 26, 2009 2:45 PM   in response to: jh118764

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On 25/04/2009, at 8:33 AM, Juanita Heieck wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I've posted a review copy of the new/revised Getting Started With
> OpenSolaris Guide for 2009.06.


Looks good in general.

o I'd recommend adding Eclipse to the list of development tools that
can be installed.
o Why add beadm as a reference and not something like pkg?


Glynn
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jh118764

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Re: [docs-discuss] Getting Started With OpenSolaris Review Copy Posted
Posted: Apr 29, 2009 12:55 PM   in response to: gman
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Hi,

Thanks for the feedback. I'll add Eclipse to the list of dev tools.

Regarding your second comment, about why add beadm as a reference.

I was just getting ready to post a question, asking if we
should remove this appendix. When the Getting Started was first published,
we had a couple more appendices that covered command line, but as
things have developed and changed in the guide, we've removed all but
the beadm section.

The rationale for keeping beadm reference in the book was because there were
some tasks that couldn't be done using Boot Environment Manager. This release, we've added
more info to the guide about the tool, and since the information that's in this
appendix can be found in man pages, and after talking to a few people,
I'm proposing we remove the beadm command reference appendix for 2009.06

Justification for removal includes these reasons:

- We don't cover other commands in this way in the book, so the section
sort of sticks out like a sore thumb.

- We can't really add more command line references to the book,
due to space issues. Plus, we're trying to make the book
a handy tool that users can pick up to quickly locate information.

- The basic beadm info is already covered in the Managing Boot Environments chapter.

- Anything in the reference section is also in the man page.

I'd like to get some opinions about removing the reference section in the next
day so, if possible. If it seems like there's agreement, I'll go ahead and remove the appendix for beadm.

Thanks much for your continued contributions to the documentation efforts.

Nita




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