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[New Community Proposal] - starting an OpenSolaris
JDS Desktop Community
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Jul 4, 2005 4:20 PM
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Hey,
I'd like to start the ball rolling in getting an OpenSolaris Desktop
Community launched. Let's face it, there's an awful lot of FUD being
spread around OpenSolaris not being ready for the desktop - it's time to
prove them wrong ;)
I'd like to lead a desktop community focused on JDS. There's absolutely
no reason that others can't jump in with proposals to lead KDE, XFCE, or
other variants - in fact, I'd totally encourage anyone to do so!
I've written up a short presentation of my initial thoughts for such a
community -
http://www.gnome.org/~gman/opensolaris_jds_plan.sxi [1]
and there's some more babbling on the following links -
http://www.gnome.org/~gman/blog/16062005
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/solarisx86/message/26500
I think this can be summed up into a number of short term and long term
goals -
Short Term
==========
o Open up current JDS build infrastructure
o Release the JDS code and make it really easy to
build
o Start basing JDS on GNOME 2.10
Long Term
=========
o Open up our internal development and project
management process around JDS, and adapt them for
best gain
o Create a community of champions around JDS and
OpenSolaris
o Make JDS on OpenSolaris rock!
I've primarily focused on the GNOME parts of JDS - hopefully the guys
responsible for the other bits will jump into the conversation once we
get things moving. There's lots of unknowns to the equation right now,
but rather than focusing on too many of the technical details, I think
we should discuss the community merits initally.
Let's give this discussion a timeout of 2 weeks - that'll give most
folks in the US who are off for the week some time to catch up and add
their comments.
Rock on!
Glynn
[1] I'm the anal "make-presentation-because-a-it-looks-good-
and-looking-good-is-what-makes-the-world-go-round-and-b-
helps-to-focus-thoughts-into-the-bits-that-really-matter".
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Re: [New Community Proposal] - starting an OpenSolaris
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Jul 4, 2005 4:28 PM
in response to: gman
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On Tue, 5 Jul 2005, Glynn Foster wrote:
> Hey,
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> I'd like to start the ball rolling in getting an OpenSolaris Desktop
> Community launched. Let's face it, there's an awful lot of FUD being
> spread around OpenSolaris not being ready for the desktop - it's time to
> prove them wrong ;)
>
> I'd like to lead a desktop community focused on JDS. There's absolutely
New Community Proposal "focused on JDS" ... gets my vote!
Approved!
..... snip .....
> Rock on!
10-4. Good Work Glynn!
Regards,
Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. al@logical-approach.com
Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134
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Re: [New Community Proposal] - starting an OpenSolaris
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Jul 4, 2005 5:57 PM
in response to: alhopper
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>> I'd like to lead a desktop community focused on JDS. There's
>> absolutely
>
> New Community Proposal "focused on JDS" ... gets my vote!
+1
....Roy
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Re: [New Community Proposal] - starting an OpenSolaris
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Posted:
Jul 4, 2005 4:45 PM
in response to: gman
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On 7/4/05, Glynn Foster <Glynn dot Foster at sun dot com> wrote:
> Hey,
>
> I'd like to start the ball rolling in getting an OpenSolaris Desktop
> Community launched. Let's face it, there's an awful lot of FUD being
> spread around OpenSolaris not being ready for the desktop - it's time to
> prove them wrong ;)
>
> I'd like to lead a desktop community focused on JDS. There's absolutely
> no reason that others can't jump in with proposals to lead KDE, XFCE, or
> other variants - in fact, I'd totally encourage anyone to do so!
how about a KDE community as well ? :-)
lead-in: i am in the process of packaging and uploading KDE 3.4.1 for
Solaris 10, both of x86 and SPARC, at KDE. finally. :-) i will post
here when it's ready and sync'ed (very shortly).
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Re: [New Community Proposal] - starting an OpenSolaris
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Posted:
Jul 4, 2005 11:21 PM
in response to: steleman
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Stefan Teleman wrote:
> On 7/4/05, Glynn Foster <Glynn dot Foster at sun dot com> wrote:
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>>Hey,
>>
>>I'd like to start the ball rolling in getting an OpenSolaris Desktop
>>Community launched. Let's face it, there's an awful lot of FUD being
>>spread around OpenSolaris not being ready for the desktop - it's time to
>>prove them wrong ;)
>>
>>I'd like to lead a desktop community focused on JDS. There's absolutely
>>no reason that others can't jump in with proposals to lead KDE, XFCE, or
>>other variants - in fact, I'd totally encourage anyone to do so!
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>
> how about a KDE community as well ? :-)
Hey, Stafan! I'm sure the community would love to consider it --
especially if you were to lead it (as you have been). Write up something
and we'll kick it around. We don't really have a formal process set yet,
but a couple of weeks ago I proposed that we as a community have a
lightweight process (pending the governance) to evaluate things like
this. This way we are not making decisions internally all the time.
New Communities:
* Perspective community leaders write a proposal and post to discuss
list for comments. Put "New Community Proposal" in the subject line.
* Proposals should basically outline the need for the community, the
expected level of interest, participation, activities, outcomes, etc.
* The community has two weeks to comment on the discuss list before a
decision is made.
* The new community has a couple of months to demonstrate a minimum
level of activity or we consider removing it (need to come up with
a process to do that as well).
The only reason for this is so that everyone knows what communities we
are starting and everyone gets to comment. Also, this puts everyone on
the same playing field because Sun will be following the same guidelines
(and eventually the same governance). Now, we started with a bunch of
communities and I think there are a couple that will be opened that had
already been planned, but I'm hoping that everyone (internally and
externally) will propose what they want to do and give the community a
reasonable time for input.
Jim
> lead-in: i am in the process of packaging and uploading KDE 3.4.1 for
> Solaris 10, both of x86 and SPARC, at KDE. finally. :-) i will post
> here when it's ready and sync'ed (very shortly).
>
> --Stefan
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Re: [New Community Proposal] - starting an OpenSolaris
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Jul 6, 2005 8:54 AM
in response to: steleman
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Stefan Teleman <stefan dot teleman at gmail dot com> wrote:
> how about a KDE community as well ? :-)
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> lead-in: i am in the process of packaging and uploading KDE 3.4.1 for
> Solaris 10, both of x86 and SPARC, at KDE. finally. :-) i will post
> here when it's ready and sync'ed (very shortly).
Solaris 10 is not OpenSolaris (yet) and starting immediately with 2 different
desktops is a bit hard for the SchilliX maintainers.
If you like to start with your own efforts, you are welcome...
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Re: [New Community Proposal] - starting an OpenSolaris
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Posted:
Jul 6, 2005 9:41 AM
in response to: joerg
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Joerg Schilling wrote:
> Stefan Teleman <stefan dot teleman at gmail dot com> wrote:
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>>how about a KDE community as well ? :-)
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>>lead-in: i am in the process of packaging and uploading KDE 3.4.1 for
>>Solaris 10, both of x86 and SPARC, at KDE. finally. :-) i will post
>>here when it's ready and sync'ed (very shortly).
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> Solaris 10 is not OpenSolaris (yet) and starting immediately with 2 different
> desktops is a bit hard for the SchilliX maintainers.
The SchilliX maintainers don't have to be part of every single
OpenSolaris community or include all of their projects, and
probably shouldn't expect to.
If there's enough interest in starting a KDE community, I see
no reason to discourage that.
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Re: [New Community Proposal] - starting an OpenSolaris
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Jul 6, 2005 9:44 AM
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Alan Coopersmith <Alan dot Coopersmith at Sun dot COM> wrote:
> > Solaris 10 is not OpenSolaris (yet) and starting immediately with 2 different
> > desktops is a bit hard for the SchilliX maintainers.
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> The SchilliX maintainers don't have to be part of every single
> OpenSolaris community or include all of their projects, and
> probably shouldn't expect to.
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> If there's enough interest in starting a KDE community, I see
> no reason to discourage that.
I definitely did not discourage it.
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Re: [New Community Proposal] - starting an OpenSolaris
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Jul 4, 2005 7:54 PM
in response to: gman
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On 7/4/05, Glynn Foster <Glynn dot Foster at sun dot com> wrote:
> I'd like to start the ball rolling in getting an OpenSolaris Desktop
> Community launched. Let's face it, there's an awful lot of FUD being
> spread around OpenSolaris not being ready for the desktop - it's time to
> prove them wrong ;)
I would love to see a JDS (GNOME) desktop community that approaches
things with the same thoroughness and voracity as the rest of Solaris
is. It needs lots of lovin' right now, that's for sure. Maybe we can
finally address all the silliness surrounding the window manager and
fix it to work as it really should ;)
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Re: [New Community Proposal] - starting an OpenSolaris
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Jul 4, 2005 10:59 PM
in response to: gman
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Thanks, Glynn. Impressive. I can see you weren't kidding on this. :)
Let's give the community some time (your two weeks is fine) to comment
and we'll see where we are and what we can do.
Thanks again,
Jim
Glynn Foster wrote:
> Hey,
>
> I'd like to start the ball rolling in getting an OpenSolaris Desktop
> Community launched. Let's face it, there's an awful lot of FUD being
> spread around OpenSolaris not being ready for the desktop - it's time to
> prove them wrong ;)
>
> I'd like to lead a desktop community focused on JDS. There's absolutely
> no reason that others can't jump in with proposals to lead KDE, XFCE, or
> other variants - in fact, I'd totally encourage anyone to do so!
>
> I've written up a short presentation of my initial thoughts for such a
> community -
>
> http://www.gnome.org/~gman/opensolaris_jds_plan.sxi [1]
>
> and there's some more babbling on the following links -
>
> http://www.gnome.org/~gman/blog/16062005
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/solarisx86/message/26500
>
> I think this can be summed up into a number of short term and long term
> goals -
>
> Short Term
> ==========
> o Open up current JDS build infrastructure
> o Release the JDS code and make it really easy to
> build
> o Start basing JDS on GNOME 2.10
>
> Long Term
> =========
> o Open up our internal development and project
> management process around JDS, and adapt them for
> best gain
> o Create a community of champions around JDS and
> OpenSolaris
> o Make JDS on OpenSolaris rock!
>
>
> I've primarily focused on the GNOME parts of JDS - hopefully the guys
> responsible for the other bits will jump into the conversation once we
> get things moving. There's lots of unknowns to the equation right now,
> but rather than focusing on too many of the technical details, I think
> we should discuss the community merits initally.
>
> Let's give this discussion a timeout of 2 weeks - that'll give most
> folks in the US who are off for the week some time to catch up and add
> their comments.
>
> Rock on!
>
>
> Glynn
>
> [1] I'm the anal "make-presentation-because-a-it-looks-good-
> and-looking-good-is-what-makes-the-world-go-round-and-b-
> helps-to-focus-thoughts-into-the-bits-that-really-matter".
>
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Re: [New Community Proposal] - starting an OpenSolaris
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Jul 5, 2005 12:55 AM
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> Short Term
>==========
>o Open up current JDS build infrastructure
>o Release the JDS code and make it really easy to
>build
>o Start basing JDS on GNOME 2.10
Which build should the short term goal target?
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Re: [New Community Proposal] - starting an OpenSolaris
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Jul 6, 2005 8:52 AM
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Glynn Foster <Glynn dot Foster at Sun dot COM> wrote:
> Hey,
>
> I'd like to start the ball rolling in getting an OpenSolaris Desktop
> Community launched. Let's face it, there's an awful lot of FUD being
> spread around OpenSolaris not being ready for the desktop - it's time to
> prove them wrong ;)
>
> I'd like to lead a desktop community focused on JDS. There's absolutely
> no reason that others can't jump in with proposals to lead KDE, XFCE, or
> other variants - in fact, I'd totally encourage anyone to do so!
I did see recently that the JDS sources are available.....
What is missing?
Only files like the realplayer binary?
> I think this can be summed up into a number of short term and long term
> goals -
>
> Short Term
> ==========
> o Open up current JDS build infrastructure
> o Release the JDS code and make it really easy to
> build
> o Start basing JDS on GNOME 2.10
After X is running on SchilliX, it would make sense to start a test
compilation.
> Long Term
> =========
> o Open up our internal development and project
> management process around JDS, and adapt them for
> best gain
> o Create a community of champions around JDS and
> OpenSolaris
> o Make JDS on OpenSolaris rock!
> Let's give this discussion a timeout of 2 weeks - that'll give most
> folks in the US who are off for the week some time to catch up and add
> their comments.
I am planning to include X in SchilliX-0.3, this is expected in 3 weeks
in case the OpenSolaris source releases are not delayed furtheron.
Jörg
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Re: [New Community Proposal] - starting an OpenSolaris
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Jul 6, 2005 9:42 AM
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Joerg Schilling wrote:
> Glynn Foster <Glynn dot Foster at Sun dot COM> wrote:
>>I'd like to lead a desktop community focused on JDS. There's absolutely
>>no reason that others can't jump in with proposals to lead KDE, XFCE, or
>>other variants - in fact, I'd totally encourage anyone to do so!
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>
> I did see recently that the JDS sources are available.....
> What is missing?
The community, so that people can do more than just see the snapshot
of JDS sources from Solaris 10 3/05 release, such as interacting with
the ongoing development.
(+1 to the JDS community from me too BTW)
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Re: [New Community Proposal] - starting an OpenSolaris
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Alan Coopersmith <Alan dot Coopersmith at Sun dot COM> wrote:
> Joerg Schilling wrote:
> > Glynn Foster <Glynn dot Foster at Sun dot COM> wrote:
> >>I'd like to lead a desktop community focused on JDS. There's absolutely
> >>no reason that others can't jump in with proposals to lead KDE, XFCE, or
> >>other variants - in fact, I'd totally encourage anyone to do so!
> >
> >
> > I did see recently that the JDS sources are available.....
> > What is missing?
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> The community, so that people can do more than just see the snapshot
> of JDS sources from Solaris 10 3/05 release, such as interacting with
> the ongoing development.
This sounds very promising.
A few months before I was in fear that it would be hard to have the same GUI
as Sun Solaris, not that the sources are available I am encouraged.
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Re: [New Community Proposal] - starting an OpenSolaris
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Hey,
> A few months before I was in fear that it would be hard to have the same GUI
> as Sun Solaris, not that the sources are available I am encouraged.
So this is quite interesting, because no one's commented how the
branding will look for JDS under the opensolaris.org umbrella - would
people expect it to be visually different to what's packaged as part of
mainstream Solaris?
Glynn
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Re: [New Community Proposal] - starting an OpenSolaris
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fyi ... thanks for all your feedback on Glynn's proposal. I'll get with
Glynn and Derek and we'll get this community opened up as soon as we
can. I hope to have it for next week, but I'll check with Derek tomorrow
on his schedule.
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Re: [New Community Proposal] - starting an OpenSolaris
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Heya,
> > I'd like to lead a desktop community focused on JDS. There's absolutely
> > no reason that others can't jump in with proposals to lead KDE, XFCE, or
> > other variants - in fact, I'd totally encourage anyone to do so!
>
> I did see recently that the JDS sources are available.....
> What is missing?
> Only files like the realplayer binary?
Yeah, there will obviously bits and pieces that will be out of our
control to release. Initially I think that the GNOME/Evolution/Mozilla
stack is as much as we can get for the first round. Realplayer obviously
is partly released in the form of the Helix player, and there's already
an active community around that.
> After X is running on SchilliX, it would make sense to start a test
> compilation.
Rocking! We look forward to your contributions.
Glynn
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