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Project proposal: qemu
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Aug 28, 2006 9:47 AM
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I propose a qemu project. This project will contribute and support on an on-going basis:
- A kernel accelerator module for kqemu
- Support for building 64-bit qemu out of the box (kernel accelerator requires this on AMD64)
- Support for building qemu with Sun Studio 10 and 11 compilers
- Support for ATAPI DMA running OpenSolaris as a guest OS
- Performance enhancements for OpenSolaris as a guest including support for -kernel-kqemu with the accelerator
- Anything else spiffy we can think of!
The leaders initially will be Juergen Zimmermann and myself.
- Eric
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Re: Project proposal: qemu
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Aug 28, 2006 9:58 AM
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* Eric Lowe (Eric dot Lowe at Sun dot COM) wrote:
> I propose a qemu project. This project will contribute and support on an on-going basis:
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> - A kernel accelerator module for kqemu
> - Support for building 64-bit qemu out of the box (kernel accelerator requires this on AMD64)
> - Support for building qemu with Sun Studio 10 and 11 compilers
> - Support for ATAPI DMA running OpenSolaris as a guest OS
> - Performance enhancements for OpenSolaris as a guest including support for -kernel-kqemu with the accelerator
> - Anything else spiffy we can think of!
>
> The leaders initially will be Juergen Zimmermann and myself.
Sounds great.
+1 from me.
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Re: Project proposal: qemu
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Aug 28, 2006 1:58 PM
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Glenn Lagasse wrote:
> * Eric Lowe (Eric dot Lowe at Sun dot COM) wrote:
>> I propose a qemu project. This project will contribute and support on an on-going basis:
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>> - A kernel accelerator module for kqemu
>> - Support for building 64-bit qemu out of the box (kernel accelerator requires this on AMD64)
>> - Support for building qemu with Sun Studio 10 and 11 compilers
>> - Support for ATAPI DMA running OpenSolaris as a guest OS
>> - Performance enhancements for OpenSolaris as a guest including support for -kernel-kqemu with the accelerator
>> - Anything else spiffy we can think of!
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>> The leaders initially will be Juergen Zimmermann and myself.
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> Sounds great.
>
> +1 from me.
+1 from me too.
James C. McPherson
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Re: Project proposal: qemu
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Aug 28, 2006 2:39 PM
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> Glenn Lagasse wrote:
>> * Eric Lowe (Eric dot Lowe at Sun dot COM) wrote:
>>> I propose a qemu project. This project will contribute and support on an
>>> on-going basis:
>>>
>>> - A kernel accelerator module for kqemu
>>> - Support for building 64-bit qemu out of the box (kernel accelerator
>>> requires this on AMD64)
>>> - Support for building qemu with Sun Studio 10 and 11 compilers
>>> - Support for ATAPI DMA running OpenSolaris as a guest OS
>>> - Performance enhancements for OpenSolaris as a guest including support
>>> for -kernel-kqemu with the accelerator
>>> - Anything else spiffy we can think of!
>>>
>>> The leaders initially will be Juergen Zimmermann and myself.
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>> Sounds great.
>>
>> +1 from me.
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> +1 from me too.
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>
Has anyone checked in with Ben Taylor ? He has done some great work on QEMU
and so has Martin Bochnig.
Dennis
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Re: Project proposal: qemu
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Aug 28, 2006 3:00 PM
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> > Glenn Lagasse wrote:
> >> * Eric Lowe (Eric dot Lowe at Sun dot COM) wrote:
> >>> I propose a qemu project. This project will contribute and support on
> an
> >>> on-going basis:
> >>>
> >>> - A kernel accelerator module for kqemu
> >>> - Support for building 64-bit qemu out of the box (kernel accelerator
> >>> requires this on AMD64)
> >>> - Support for building qemu with Sun Studio 10 and 11 compilers
> >>> - Support for ATAPI DMA running OpenSolaris as a guest OS
> >>> - Performance enhancements for OpenSolaris as a guest including
> support
> >>> for -kernel-kqemu with the accelerator
> >>> - Anything else spiffy we can think of!
> >>>
> >>> The leaders initially will be Juergen Zimmermann and myself.
> >>
> >> Sounds great.
> >>
> >> +1 from me.
> >
> > +1 from me too.
> >
> >
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> Has anyone checked in with Ben Taylor ? He has done some great work on
> QEMU
> and so has Martin Bochnig.
>
> Dennis
History:
We have to thank Juergen Keil and Ph.D. Math. Johannes Schindelin!
No qemu on Solaris hosts without them(!).
__Especially not on sparc__.
These two guys have gently helped me bringing it to Solaris sparc hosts in late fall of 2004.
Based on the initial port to linUX sparc hosts done way back in 2003 by the famous Dave.S.Miller.
Ben Taylor has brought all those (then public) patches together and has managed to urge the qemu list hard enough, to finally bring all those things together into qemu's cvs.
Though the sparc host support currently in qemu's cvs still misses a few things.
I will release a new patch as soon as I come to that (after certain other public launches).
As well as upgrading my CSWqemu package on Blastwave.
Here is still my old work, based on what Juergen Keil and Johannes Schindelin have achieved.
This was posted to public back then.
http://user.cs.tu-berlin.de/~mbeinsx/s_r_c/
http://user.cs.tu-berlin.de/~mbeinsx/s_r_c/qemu_0.7.2_SPARC_HOST_PATCH__FullDiff.diff
Martin
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Re: Project proposal: qemu
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Aug 28, 2006 3:20 PM
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Martin Bochnig wrote:
> History:
..
Wow this is great information, I'll be sure to archive this.
> Though the sparc host support currently in qemu's cvs still misses a few things.
> I will release a new patch as soon as I come to that (after certain other public launches).
> As well as upgrading my CSWqemu package on Blastwave.
I have some patches to send you for building 64-bit binaries and
supporting kqemu to get into Blastwave.
It probably isn't worth going for sfw integration until we have
something more stable, Blastwave is awesome because you can just
Plug-N-Run(TM) every time a new feature gets hack^H^H^H^Hadded. :)
> Here is still my old work, based on what Juergen Keil and Johannes Schindelin have achieved.
> This was posted to public back then.
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> http://user.cs.tu-berlin.de/~mbeinsx/s_r_c/
> http://user.cs.tu-berlin.de/~mbeinsx/s_r_c/qemu_0.7.2_SPARC_HOST_PATCH__FullDiff.diff
This is excellent. Hopefully we can get everything under one roof.
Martin, would you like to be added as a leader also so you can edit the
project pages?
Cheers
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Re: Project proposal: qemu
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Aug 28, 2006 3:25 PM
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> Martin Bochnig wrote:
>> History:
> ..
>
> Wow this is great information, I'll be sure to archive this.
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>> Though the sparc host support currently in qemu's cvs still misses a few
>> things.
>> I will release a new patch as soon as I come to that (after certain other
>> public launches).
>> As well as upgrading my CSWqemu package on Blastwave.
>
> I have some patches to send you for building 64-bit binaries and
> supporting kqemu to get into Blastwave.
>
> It probably isn't worth going for sfw integration until we have
> something more stable, Blastwave is awesome because you can just
> Plug-N-Run(TM) every time a new feature gets hack^H^H^H^Hadded. :)
>
And generally everything just seems to run^H^H^Hwork^H^H^Hbe real
easy to get for free too !
I can take a joke !
>> Here is still my old work, based on what Juergen Keil and Johannes
>> Schindelin have achieved.
>> This was posted to public back then.
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>> http://user.cs.tu-berlin.de/~mbeinsx/s_r_c/
>> http://user.cs.tu-berlin.de/~mbeinsx/s_r_c/qemu_0.7.2_SPARC_HOST_PATCH__FullDiff.diff
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> This is excellent. Hopefully we can get everything under one roof.
>
> Martin, would you like to be added as a leader also so you can edit the
> project pages?
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Someone please yes yes ... get Martin involved. The guy rocks.
Also .. has anyone heard from Ben Taylor ?
Dennis
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Re: Project proposal: qemu
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Aug 28, 2006 3:36 PM
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> Someone please yes yes ... get Martin involved. The guy rocks.
>
> Also .. has anyone heard from Ben Taylor ?
Yep, I had a thread offline, he's buried right now after coming back
from an extended vacation.
- Eric
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Re: Project proposal: qemu
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Aug 28, 2006 3:28 PM
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> things.
> > I will release a new patch as soon as I come to that (after certain
> other public launches).
> > As well as upgrading my CSWqemu package on Blastwave.
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> I have some patches to send you for building 64-bit binaries and
> supporting kqemu to get into Blastwave.
Sounds pretty **** interesting.
Where can I dl them?
> It probably isn't worth going for sfw integration until we have
> something more stable, Blastwave is awesome because you can just
> Plug-N-Run(TM) every time a new feature gets hack^H^H^H^Hadded. :)
I'm interested.
> This is excellent. Hopefully we can get everything under one roof.
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> Martin, would you like to be added as a leader also so you can edit the
> project pages?
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> Cheers
> - Eric
I'm looking forward to working with you guys on that.
But please note, that I'm currently a bit overloaded and that I might not respond instantly every time.
Regards,
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Re: Project proposal: qemu
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Aug 28, 2006 3:00 PM
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> Glenn Lagasse wrote:
>> * Eric Lowe (Eric dot Lowe at Sun dot COM) wrote:
>>> I propose a qemu project. This project will contribute and support on an
>>> on-going basis:
>>>
>>> - A kernel accelerator module for kqemu
>>> - Support for building 64-bit qemu out of the box (kernel accelerator
>>> requires this on AMD64)
>>> - Support for building qemu with Sun Studio 10 and 11 compilers
>>> - Support for ATAPI DMA running OpenSolaris as a guest OS
>>> - Performance enhancements for OpenSolaris as a guest including support
>>> for -kernel-kqemu with the accelerator
>>> - Anything else spiffy we can think of!
>>>
>>> The leaders initially will be Juergen Zimmermann and myself.
>>
>> Sounds gr****
>>
>> +1 from me.
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> +1 from me too.
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This will lead to a heated discussion but I just have to.
I personally love the idea of QEMU becuase it can emulate the processor all
the way down to the bare wire nearly. Its bloody brilliant and Fabrice is a
genius.
However, here comes the tough part, is anyone upstairs in the corner office
doing anything to get VMWare running on Solaris 10 ? I know that Andy
Tucker has shuffled over to VMWare and he must be doing some sort of magic
there. Or is it a Windows and Linux club only? I just can not think of a
better place to run VMWare than on a maxxed out X4600 and I sure as hell
don't mean on top of Slep - SUSE Linux Enterprise ****.
Dennis
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Re: Project proposal: qemu
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Aug 28, 2006 3:13 PM
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Dennis Clarke wrote:
> However, here comes the tough****t, is anyone upstairs in the corner office
> doing anything to get VMWare running on Solaris 10 ? I know that Andy
> Tucker has shuffled over to VMWare and he must be doing some sort of magic
> there. Or is it a Windows and Linux club only? I just can not think of a
> better place to run VMWare than on a maxxed out X4600 and I sure as hell
> don't mean on top of Slep - SUSE Linux Enterprise ****.
I won't speculate, but a lot of us think it would be very cool. The more
solutions we have (Zones+BrandZ, Xen, QEMU, VMWare), the better, since
each will have its place, and virtual machines are the binary
compatibility of tomorrow (i.e. deploy an appliance, not an app on an OS).
- Eric
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Re: Project proposal: qemu
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Aug 28, 2006 3:16 PM
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On Mon, 28 Aug 2006, Eric Lowe wrote:
> will have its place, and virtual machines are the binary compatibility of
> tomorrow (i.e. deploy an appliance, not an app on an OS).
I thought that's what Java was all about... :-) GRND
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Re: Project proposal: qemu
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Aug 28, 2006 3:19 PM
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[...]
> >>> The leaders initially will be Juergen Zimmermann and myself.
> >>
> >> Sounds great.
> >>
> >> +1 from me.
> >
> > +1 from me too.
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> >
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> This will lead to a heated discussion but I just have to.
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> I personally love the idea of QEMU becuase it can emulate the processor
> all
> the way down to the bare wire nearly. Its bloody brilliant and Fabrice is
> a
> genius.
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> However, here comes the tough part, is anyone upstairs in the corner
> office
> doing anything to get VMWare running on Solaris 10 ? I know that Andy
> Tucker has shuffled over to VMWare and he must be doing some sort of magic
> there. Or is it a Windows and Linux club only? I just can not think of a
> better place to run VMWare than on a maxxed out X4600 and I sure as hell
> don't mean on top of Slep - SUSE Linux Enterprise ****.
>
> Dennis
Good point.
I support that demand.
BTW, a few cosmetical things (of course except the LKM's we depend on) worked with lxrun (back in 2003 when I tried that). Probably also under Janus.
A pity that Janus cannot load linUX kernel modules.
Though much worse is, that market policy seems to hinder the release of Solaris host support for VMware.
marTin
p.s. Back to qemu's accellerator module: It might not be too hard to port qvm86 to Solaris x86:
To get the (apparently unmaintained) CVS, do a
cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous at cvs dot savannah dot nongnu dot org:/sources/qvm86 co qvm86
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Re: Project proposal: qemu
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Aug 30, 2006 12:57 PM
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On 8/28/06, Dennis Clarke <dclarke at blastwave dot org> wrote:
> However, here comes the tough part, is any****upstairs in the corner office
> doing anything to get VMWare running on Solaris 10 ? I know that Andy
> Tucker has shuffled over to VMWare and he must be doing some sort of magic
> there. Or is it a Windows and Linux club only? I just can not think of a
> better place to run VMWare than on a maxxed out X4600 and I sure as hell
> don't mean on top of Slep - SUSE Linux Enterprise ****.
I assume that you're asking about free VMWare Server here, which is currently
available only for Windows and Linux hosts. VMWare ESX Server 3.0 officially
supports Solaris 10 guests already.
- Andrei
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Re: Project proposal: qemu
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On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 12:57:41PM -0700, Andrei Dorofeev wrote:
> On 8/28/06, Dennis Clarke <dclarke at blastwave dot org> wrote:
> >However, here comes the tough part, is anyone upstairs in the corner office
> >doing anything to get VMWare running on Solaris 10 ? I know that Andy
> >Tucker has shuffled over to VMWare and he must be doing some sort of magic
> >there. Or is it a Windows and Linux club only? I just can not think of a
> >better place to run VMWare than on a maxxed out X4600 and I sure as hell
> >don't mean on top of Slep - SUSE Linux Enterprise ****.
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> I assume that you're asking about free VMWare Server here, which is
> currently
> available only for Windows and Linux hosts. VMWare ESX Server 3.0
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> supports Solaris 10 guests already.
I think Dennis was talking about getting VMWare workstation running
on Solaris (as a host).
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Re: Project proposal: qemu
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Aug 29, 2006 9:16 AM
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I have built QEMU on Solaris and for the most part it works fine. I also added OSS audio support (edit the configure script and add oss="yes" at line 132 - for solaris). You will need to install OSS first so that the configure script picks up /usr/include/sys/soundcard.h
What I have found is that audio is choppy and garbled - the funny thing is that under Linux and FreeBSD it works just fine - same hardware, same OSS drivers.
So yes, I'd be interested in contributing to QEMU on Solaris to get OSS audio working properly.
Best regards
Dev Mazumdar
4Front Technologies (http://www.opensound.com)
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Re: Project proposal: qemu
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Thanks, Eric. You have seconds. I'll contact you offline to
get you set up.
Eric B
On Mon, 28 Aug 2006, Eric Lowe wrote:
> I propose a qemu project. This project will contribute and support on an on-going basis:
>
> - A kernel accelerator module for kqemu
> - Support for building 64-bit qemu out of the box (kernel accelerator requires this on AMD64)
> - Support for building qemu with Sun Studio 10 and 11 compilers
> - Support for ATAPI DMA running OpenSolaris as a guest OS
> - Performance enhancements for OpenSolaris as a guest including support for -kernel-kqemu with the accelerator
> - Anything else spiffy we can think of!
>
> The leaders initially will be Juergen Zimmermann and myself.
>
> - Eric
>
>
> This message posted from opensolaris.org
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Re: Project proposal: qemu
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That would be great.
I successfully run qemu on my OpenSolaris x86 on AMD64
and successfully installed windows xp as a guest. But it's painfully slow.
I don't know how qemu with kqemu performs compared to VMWare but qemu without kqemu won't succeed I guess.
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