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Jan 31, 2007 11:25 PM
by: swalker
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Re: Re: Community participation
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Jan 31, 2007 11:31 AM
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Christopher Mahan
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Re: Re: Re: Community participation
Posted:
Jan 31, 2007 11:31 AM
in response to: Guest
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--- Josh Hurst <joshhurst at gmail dot com> wrote:
> On 1/31/07, Christopher Mahan <chris_mahan at yahoo dot com> wrote:
> > Please forgive the newbiness.
> >
> > Can Open Solaris be built entirely from source?
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> Ask in opensolaris-code at opensolaris dot org for details. The answer is
> yes
> except some closed binary parts which still await approval from the
> stupid lawyers. I'd expect Open Solaris being built entirely from
> source in a year
So really no then.
Thanks though.
How hard would it be to reimplement the binary parts? Are there
patent issues?
ps: I'll not delve in that other mailing list, I'm scared to go
there. (not being funny either)
Chris Mahan
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Re: Re: Re: Community participation
Posted:
Jan 31, 2007 12:19 PM
in response to: Christopher Mahan
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Christopher Mahan writes:
> How hard would it be to reimplement the binary parts? Are there
> patent issues?
Those who know the issues usually can't talk about them in any
detail. That's actually a good thing, as it leaves you untainted to
take on one of those helpful tasks. ;-}
In general, though, the issue is that the source code itself was
purchased by Sun from some third party and our agreement with that
third party does not give us the right to place the source itself
under the CDDL.
There's not very much code that's actually in this state, but it's not
zero. In the ON consolidation, I count around 4000 total currently
closed files (including makefiles, readmes, and whatnot) versus 53876
that are on the open side. Most of that consists of special platform
bits, so likely isn't even very relevant to the conversation.
I'd also like to see an open reimplementation of libc_i18n. I doubt,
though, that this nugget is holding back hordes of projects from using
and contributing to Open Solaris.
For what it's worth, there are external legal reasons why certain
things may always be binary-only. For example, the special firmware
used to control the radio signaling in 802.11 drivers is usually
subject to governmental authorizations (homologation and other
compliance testing), and thus can't really be published as source, no
matter what you do. I think that means that the binary content of any
useful and non-trivial open source operating system is going to be
non-zero.
At least until someone GPL's the airwaves and telephone system, I
suppose. ;-}
--
James Carlson, Solaris Networking <james dot d dot carlson at sun dot com>
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Re: Re: Community participation
Posted:
Jan 31, 2007 12:41 PM
in response to: Christopher Mahan
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On 31-Jan-07, at 11:31 AM, Christopher Mahan wrote:
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> --- Josh Hurst <joshhurst at gmail dot com> wrote:
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>> On 1/31/07, Christopher Mahan <chris_mahan at yahoo dot com> wrote:
>>> Please forgive the newbiness.
>>>
>>> Can Open Solaris be built entirely from source?
>>
>> Ask in opensolaris-code at opensolaris dot org for details. The answer is
>> yes
>> except some closed binary parts which still await approval from the
>> stupid lawyers. I'd expect Open Solaris being built entirely from
>> source in a year
>
> So really no then.
>
> Thanks though.
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> How hard would it be to reimplement the binary parts? Are there
> patent issues?
I counted for defined but unimplemented i18n parts of libc. there's
about 150 functions that need to be rewritten. IBM released an
implementation under an artistic license, so those can just be
lifted. I just finished the count a few days ago, i was going to
start working on them this weekend
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Christopher Mahan
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Re: Re: Community participation
Posted:
Jan 31, 2007 1:09 PM
in response to: error404
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--- John Sonnenschein <johnsonnenschein at gmail dot com> wrote:
> I counted for defined but unimplemented i18n parts of libc. there's
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> about 150 functions that need to be rewritten. IBM released an
> implementation under an artistic license, so those can just be
> lifted. I just finished the count a few days ago, i was going to
> start working on them this weekend
Thanks for your answer. Thanks for working on this.
Chris Mahan
818.943.1850 cell
chris_mahan at yahoo dot com
chris dot mahan at gmail dot com
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From:
JP
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Re: Re: Community participation
Posted:
Jan 31, 2007 9:26 PM
in response to: Christopher Mahan
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>>Ask in opensolaris-code at opensolaris dot org for details. The answer is
>>yes
>>except some closed binary parts which still await approval from the
>>stupid lawyers. I'd expect Open Solaris being built entirely from
>>source in a year
Actually, the lawyers are really quite intelligent. They've all treated
me with the utmost respect, too, even though I'm not a coder or a legal
expert. And they've done a nice job advising Sun regarding all the
source the company is opening.
Jim
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Re: Re: Community participation
Posted:
Jan 31, 2007 11:15 PM
in response to: jimgris
To: OpenSolaris » discuss
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> >>Ask in opensolaris-code at opensolaris dot org for
> details. The answer is
> >>yes
> >>except some closed binary parts which still await
> approval from the
> >>stupid lawyers. I'd expect Open Solaris being built
> entirely from
> >>source in a year
>
>
> Actually, the lawyers are really quite intelligent.
> They've all treated
> me with the utmost respect, too, even though I'm not
> a coder or a legal
> expert. And they've done a nice job advising Sun
> regarding all the
> source the company is opening.
>
> Jim
> _______________________________________________
> opensolaris-discuss mailing list
> opensolaris-discuss at opensolaris dot org
>
I think too many people are too critical of legal counsel. Without legal counsel and advice OpenSolaris couldn't have happened! Even the "popular" open source licenses out there all relied on legal counsel for their creation.
I for one applaud SUN's legal counsel for taking on a monumentally scary legal task where one bad decision could mean very angry stockholders.
-Shawn
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Re: Re: Community participation
Posted:
Jan 31, 2007 11:15 PM
in response to: jimgris
To: OpenSolaris » discuss
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> >>Ask in opensolaris-code at opensolaris dot org for
> details. The answer is
> >>yes
> >>except some closed binary parts which still await
> approval from the
> >>stupid lawyers. I'd expect Open Solaris being built
> entirely from
> >>source in a year
>
>
> Actually, the lawyers are really quite intelligent.
> They've all treated
> me with the utmost respect, too, even though I'm not
> a coder or a legal
> expert. And they've done a nice job advising Sun
> regarding all the
> source the company is opening.
>
> Jim
> _______________________________________________
> opensolaris-discuss mailing list
> opensolaris-discuss at opensolaris dot org
>
I think too many people are too critical of legal counsel. Without legal counsel and advice OpenSolaris couldn't have happened! Even the "popular" open source licenses out there all relied on legal counsel for their creation.
I for one applaud SUN's legal counsel for taking on a monumentally scary legal task where one bad decision could mean very angry stockholders.
-Shawn
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Re: Re: Community participation
Posted:
Jan 31, 2007 11:15 PM
in response to: jimgris
To: OpenSolaris » discuss
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> >>Ask in opensolaris-code at opensolaris dot org for
> details. The answer is
> >>yes
> >>except some closed binary parts which still await
> approval from the
> >>stupid lawyers. I'd expect Open Solaris being built
> entirely from
> >>source in a year
>
>
> Actually, the lawyers are really quite intelligent.
> They've all treated
> me with the utmost respect, too, even though I'm not
> a coder or a legal
> expert. And they've done a nice job advising Sun
> regarding all the
> source the company is opening.
>
> Jim
> _______________________________________________
> opensolaris-discuss mailing list
> opensolaris-discuss at opensolaris dot org
>
I think too many people are too critical of legal counsel. Without legal counsel and advice OpenSolaris couldn't have happened! Even the "popular" open source licenses out there all relied on legal counsel for their creation.
I for one applaud SUN's legal counsel for taking on a monumentally scary legal task where one bad decision could mean very angry stockholders.
-Shawn
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Re: Re: Community participation
Posted:
Jan 31, 2007 11:15 PM
in response to: jimgris
To: OpenSolaris » discuss
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>
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> >>Ask in opensolaris-code at opensolaris dot org for
> details. The answer is
> >>yes
> >>except some closed binary parts which still await
> approval from the
> >>stupid lawyers. I'd expect Open Solaris being built
> entirely from
> >>source in a year
>
>
> Actually, the lawyers are really quite intelligent.
> They've all treated
> me with the utmost respect, too, even though I'm not
> a coder or a legal
> expert. And they've done a nice job advising Sun
> regarding all the
> source the company is opening.
>
> Jim
> _______________________________________________
> opensolaris-discuss mailing list
> opensolaris-discuss at opensolaris dot org
>
I think too many people are too critical of legal counsel. Without legal counsel and advice OpenSolaris couldn't have happened! Even the "popular" open source licenses out there all relied on legal counsel for their creation.
I for one applaud SUN's legal counsel for taking on a monumentally scary legal task where one bad decision could mean very angry stockholders.
-Shawn
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Re: Re: Community participation
Posted:
Jan 31, 2007 11:25 PM
in response to: jimgris
To: OpenSolaris » discuss
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> >>Ask in opensolaris-code at opensolaris dot org for
> details. The answer is
> >>yes
> >>except some closed binary parts which still await
> approval from the
> >>stupid lawyers. I'd expect Open Solaris being built
> entirely from
> >>source in a year
>
>
> Actually, the lawyers are really quite intelligent.
> They've all treated
> me with the utmost respect, too, even though I'm not
> a coder or a legal
> expert. And they've done a nice job advising Sun
> regarding all the
> source the company is opening.
>
> Jim
> _______________________________________________
> opensolaris-discuss mailing list
> opensolaris-discuss at opensolaris dot org
>
I think too many people are too critical of legal counsel. Without legal counsel and advice OpenSolaris couldn't have happened! Even the "popular" open source licenses out there all relied on legal counsel for their creation.
I for one applaud SUN's legal counsel for taking on a monumentally scary legal task where one bad decision could mean very angry stockholders.
-Shawn
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