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Feb 2, 2007 10:24 AM
by: casper
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On Expectations of Open Solaris
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Feb 2, 2007 9:04 AM
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Christopher Mahan
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On Expectations of Open Solaris
Posted:
Feb 2, 2007 9:04 AM
in response to: Guest
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--- Casper.***@Sun.COM wrote:
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> >Casper, Thanks for that tidbit.
> >
> >Would you mind exploring that a bit further? I'm now very
> confused...
> >OpenSolaris is not a Kernel, not a distro, but something in
> between?
> >Explain please... And if you can, make comparisons to well-known
> >products...
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> it's a collection of source code repositories each of which are
> generally found in Solaris, are developed for Solaris or indicate
> future directions of Solaris.
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> opensolaris.org is the focal point of development of those bits
> of source code.
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> I'm not sure what you expected it to be.
Well, in my mind, OpenSolaris was on the way to becoming a "download
iso", "burn disc", "insert into target machine", "boot to CD-ROM",
"install", and "run"... Like, hum... Solaris maybe...
That's what I'm expecting to see when people say: "We've open-sourced
Solaris", or "Solaris is Open Source"
So my expectation is: An open-source distro based on Solaris
technology with ZFS et al, that will be "the next version" of Solaris
that people put on their servers to run their enterprise, home, media
center, embedded systems, set-top boxes, cars, bootable usb keys,
etc...
I'm fairly sure I'm not the only person with that expectation.
Chris Mahan
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chris_mahan at yahoo dot com
chris dot mahan at gmail dot com
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Re: On Expectations of Open Solaris
Posted:
Feb 2, 2007 9:54 AM
in response to: Christopher Mahan
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>Well, in my mind, OpenSolaris was on the way to becoming a "download
>iso", "burn disc", "insert into target machine", "boot to CD-ROM",
>"install", and "run"... Like, hum... Solaris maybe...
No, not at all; that was never the intention.
That's what distributions do; they collate bits of software and
make it into a distribution. Solaris is an example of such
a distribution. Should Sun make a second distribution which
does the same thing but contains only the bits already opensource
or available in source elsewhere?
No, it would be silly for Sun to maintain two distributions.
Others willmake other OpenSolaris distributions.
>That's what I'm expecting to see when people say: "We've open-sourced
>Solaris", or "Solaris is Open Source"
Strange; if I read "they've opensourced product X" then I expect to
be able to download the *source*; not the installable product.
>So my expectation is: An open-source distro based on Solaris
>technology with ZFS et al, that will be "the next version" of Solaris
>that people put on their servers to run their enterprise, home, media
>center, embedded systems, set-top boxes, cars, bootable usb keys,
>etc...
>
>I'm fairly sure I'm not the only person with that expectation.
Yeah, but that's what Solaris is and that's what the distros are.
Casper
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Christopher Mahan
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Re: On Expectations of Open Solaris
Posted:
Feb 2, 2007 10:12 AM
in response to: casper
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--- Casper.***@Sun.COM wrote:
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> >Well, in my mind, OpenSolaris was on the way to becoming a
> "download
> >iso", "burn disc", "insert into target machine", "boot to CD-ROM",
> >"install", and "run"... Like, hum... Solaris maybe...
>
> No, not at all; that was never the intention.
Ok, glad that's cleared up.
> That's what distributions do; they collate bits of software and
> make it into a distribution. Solaris is an example of such
> a distribution. Should Sun make a second distribution which
> does the same thing but contains only the bits already opensource
> or available in source elsewhere?
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> No, it would be silly for Sun to maintain two distributions.
Well, silly it might be, but it would sure make things easier for me.
> Others willmake other OpenSolaris distributions.
But my boss will never let me download and install software that
comes from some community site on our production systems. I need to
be able to point him to a page at SUN and have a binary distro.
> >That's what I'm expecting to see when people say: "We've
> open-sourced
> >Solaris", or "Solaris is Open Source"
>
> Strange; if I read "they've opensourced product X" then I expect to
> be able to download the *source*; not the installable product.
Oh, I *never* build from source. I have personally never, ever, not
even once built from source any stuff I didn't write. If I can't find
a binary out there, I won't use it.
This is why I use Debian. I don't have to. I manage with apt-get and
have to --purge once in a while because I can't even get that right
sometimes.
I am an application developer. I build stuff for people to solve
their business problems. I glue stuff together, and I'm always ready
to thank the developers of open-source software with a kind word of
support, a paypal donation, and extolling of the greatness of the
software with the great unwashed masses... But I won't build from
source.
> >So my expectation is: An open-source distro based on Solaris
> >technology with ZFS et al, that will be "the next version" of
> Solaris
> >that people put on their servers to run their enterprise, home,
> media
> >center, embedded systems, set-top boxes, cars, bootable usb keys,
> >etc...
> >
> >I'm fairly sure I'm not the only person with that expectation.
>
> Yeah, but that's what Solaris is and that's what the distros are.
Ok, but isn't Solaris a distro too?
Let me recap for my benefit:
OpenSolaris is a set of open sourced software packages. One of these
is the Kernel. Other of these are tools, like ksh.
Solaris is a distro that includes the kernel and a bunch of tools, as
well as other software from other sources such as Apache, PostgreSQL,
etc.
Am I closer to the mark?
What do people at Sun call the kernel itself?
As an aside for a non-c-coder type out there: I could really use a
diagram of all this.
Thanks.
Chris Mahan
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chris_mahan at yahoo dot com
chris dot mahan at gmail dot com
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Re: On Expectations of Open Solaris
Posted:
Feb 2, 2007 10:24 AM
in response to: Christopher Mahan
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>> No, it would be silly for Sun to maintain two distributions.
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>Well, silly it might be, but it would sure make things easier for me.
So why can't you download Solaris Express Community Edition; that's
pretty much the Sun assembled "based on OpenSolaris" distribution.
What would you want differently in a mythical "Sun OpenSolaris
distribution"?
>Ok, but isn't Solaris a distro too?
Yes.
>Let me recap for my benefit:
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>OpenSolaris is a set of open sourced software packages. One of these
>is the Kernel. Other of these are tools, like ksh.
We don't make distinction along those lines: we have the "core OS"
(OS + Networking) and then whatever is sitting on that foundation:
X, GNOME, etc; an increasing number of components available.
>Solaris is a distro that includes the kernel and a bunch of tools, as
>well as other software from other sources such as Apache, PostgreSQL,
> etc.
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>Am I closer to the mark?
Yes.
>What do people at Sun call the kernel itself?
"SunOS" perhaps (but it's for the larger OS-Net "consolidation")
Casper
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