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Draft of Project Proposal: Fully Open X (FOX)
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Jun 5, 2007 4:09 PM
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I've been kicking around an idea in my head the past few days, and
figured I'd try to write it up and send it out for comments, to see
if it makes sense to anyone else.
The Fully Open X Project (aka Project FOX) will create a public
Mercurial gate on opensolaris.org containing a merge of these
three source bases:
- the current OpenSolaris X code drops published by the Sun X team
- the Xorg SPARC driver sources created by Martin Bochnig for Martux
- the full X11R7.2 source builds created by Moinak Ghosh for Belenix
This would provide a common source base for distros to build from,
a faster release path for Sun's changes than releasing a snapshot
tarball every 1-2 months, and access to changes not yet accepted
by Sun's process into Solaris Express.
While the long term goal is Solaris API/ABI compatibility, that won't
be achieved initially (since Sun is still working on opening the
sources required for certain API's not yet in open source releases).
This will not be the master gate for Solaris for a while, but may
eventually be the master gate for the open portions of the Solaris X
consolidation.
Initial commit access to the source tree would be given to Martin,
Moinak and myself, though others could be added if they want to
work on this.
Comments? Would anyone find this useful? If it was available,
would you use it?
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Re: Draft of Project Proposal: Fully Open X (FOX)
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Jun 5, 2007 4:38 PM
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Hi,
okay.
I will continue.
Need to find a job elsewhere, outside.
Then I can work on the wrapper module etc.
Could you please upload the old Solaris 2 Xsun DDK to a publically available location?
> I've been kicking around an idea in my head the past few days, and
> figured I'd try to write it up and send it out for comments, to see
> if it makes sense to anyone else.
>
> The Fully Open X Project (aka Project FOX) will create a public
> Mercurial gate on opensolaris.org containing a merge of these
> three source bases:
> - the current OpenSolaris X code drops published by the Sun X team
> - the Xorg SPARC driver sources created by Martin Bochnig for Martux
> - the full X11R7.2 source builds created by Moinak Ghosh for Belenix
>
> This would provide a common source base for distros to build from,
> a faster release path for Sun's changes than releasing a snapshot
> tarball every 1-2 months, and access to changes not yet accepted
> by Sun's process into Solaris Express.
>
> While the long term goal is Solaris API/ABI compatibility, that won't
> be achieved initially (since Sun is still working on opening the
> sources required for certain API's not yet in open source releases).
> This will not be the master gate for Solaris for a while, but may
> eventually be the master gate for the open portions of the Solaris X
> consolidation.
>
> Initial commit access to the source tree would be given to Martin,
> Moinak and myself, though others could be added if they want to
> work on this.
>
> Comments? Would anyone find this useful? If it was available,
> would you use it?
Sounds good.
I for my part will use it, at home just as well as on the new - pending - MartUX release.
But we can't natively support closed 3rd party SPARC fb's like the Expert3d, Expert3dlite, XVR-500, XVR-600 and XVR-1200.
At least I cannot, because of their nature, which is closed to me.
The wrapper module should be possible to implement.
Public access to DDK would be pre-requisite, maybe this could become a sub-project.
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Re: Draft of Project Proposal: Fully Open X (FOX)
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Jun 8, 2007 2:29 PM
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Martin Bochnig wrote:
> Could you please upload the old Solaris 2 Xsun DDK to a publically available location?
I'm still looking for a copy of the Solaris 2.6 version - the best I've found is
2.5.1, which doesn't help much since that was still the X11R5 X server.
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Re: Xsun DDK (was: Draft of Project Proposal: Fully
Open X (FOX))
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Jun 11, 2007 1:22 PM
in response to: alanc
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Alan Coopersmith wrote:
> Martin Bochnig wrote:
>> Could you please upload the old Solaris 2 Xsun DDK to a publically
>> available location?
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> I'm still looking for a copy of the Solaris 2.6 version - the best I've
> found is
> 2.5.1, which doesn't help much since that was still the X11R5 X server.
I gave up, and took the list of files included in the 2.5.1 DDK and
created a tarball with the equivalent files from the current Nevada
Xsun source tree. Note that of the included sample drivers, cg6 is
the only one we still build and ship, so the others (bw2, cg3, cg8)
may no longer build or work.
I also left out the x86 and PowerPC files from the 2.5.1 DDK, since
I didn't think they'ld be useful to anyone.
The tarball is available at:
http://dlc.sun.com/osol/x/downloads/20070605/SUNWxwddk.tar.bz2
(despite the name, it's pure tar, not an SVR4 package)
I have found PDF's of the updated DDK documentation that was created
for Solaris 8 (i.e. after the X11R6.4 upgrade) that I can probably
post as well if it's helpful (I believe docs.sun.com still has the
X11R6.0 version posted).
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Re: Draft of Project Proposal: Fully Open X (FOX)
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Jun 5, 2007 10:16 PM
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Sure, please make sure I'm on the list.
JC
Alan Coopersmith wrote:
> I've been kicking around an idea in my head the past few days, and
> figured I'd try to write it up and send it out for comments, to see
> if it makes sense to anyone else.
>
> The Fully Open X Project (aka Project FOX) will create a public
> Mercurial gate on opensolaris.org containing a merge of these
> three source bases:
> - the current OpenSolaris X code drops published by the Sun X team
> - the Xorg SPARC driver sources created by Martin Bochnig for Martux
> - the full X11R7.2 source builds created by Moinak Ghosh for Belenix
>
> This would provide a common source base for distros to build from,
> a faster release path for Sun's changes than releasing a snapshot
> tarball every 1-2 months, and access to changes not yet accepted
> by Sun's process into Solaris Express.
>
> While the long term goal is Solaris API/ABI compatibility, that won't
> be achieved initially (since Sun is still working on opening the
> sources required for certain API's not yet in open source releases).
> This will not be the master gate for Solaris for a while, but may
> eventually be the master gate for the open portions of the Solaris X
> consolidation.
>
> Initial commit access to the source tree would be given to Martin,
> Moinak and myself, though others could be added if they want to
> work on this.
>
> Comments? Would anyone find this useful? If it was available,
> would you use it?
>
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Re: Draft of Project Proposal: Fully Open X (FOX)
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Jun 6, 2007 7:33 AM
in response to: alanc
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Alan Coopersmith wrote:
> I've been kicking around an idea in my head the past few days, and
> figured I'd try to write it up and send it out for comments, to see
> if it makes sense to anyone else.
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> The Fully Open X Project (aka Project FOX) will create a public
> Mercurial gate on opensolaris.org containing a merge of these
> three source bases:
> - the current OpenSolaris X code drops published by the Sun X team
> - the Xorg SPARC driver sources created by Martin Bochnig for Martux
> - the full X11R7.2 source builds created by Moinak Ghosh for Belenix
>
> This would provide a common source base for distros to build from,
> a faster release path for Sun's changes than releasing a snapshot
> tarball every 1-2 months, and access to changes not yet accepted
> by Sun's process into Solaris Express.
In addition will make it much easier to maintain the source tree in the
long run. Currently these are in the form of tarballs/source trees in
Martin's and my home machines.
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> While the long term goal is Solaris API/ABI compatibility, that won't
> be achieved initially (since Sun is still working on opening the
> sources required for certain API's not yet in open source releases).
> This will not be the master gate for Solaris for a while, but may
> eventually be the master gate for the open portions of the Solaris X
> consolidation.
Some amount of compatibility is present but not 100% as you mention.
Java Swing, Java2D for eg. work as does the OpenOffice binaries for
Solaris x86.
Regards,
Moinak.
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> Initial commit access to the source tree would be given to Martin,
> Moinak and myself, though others could be added if they want to
> work on this.
>
> Comments? Would anyone find this useful? If it was available,
> would you use it?
>
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Re: Draft of Project Proposal: Fully Open X (FOX)
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Jun 8, 2007 5:16 AM
in response to: alanc
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Alan,
For the Sun part that is closed, can a NDA exists between people HEAVILY involved on supporting X11 on Solaris (i.e. non-Sun)?!?
This way we can all be involved in support any of the Sun graphic cards and video device drivers.
Will those heavenly gates ever be opened to those willing to sign an NDA??
~ Ken :o)
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Re: Re: Draft of Project Proposal: Fully Open X (FOX)
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Jun 8, 2007 6:24 AM
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Ken Mays wrote:
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> Will those heavenly gates ever be opened to those willing to sign an NDA??
Not all of them can with a NDA between Sun. IP management, including
limited sets of documentation marked for each engineer, resides solely
with the partner company.
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Re: Re: Draft of Project Proposal: Fully Open X (FOX)
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Jun 8, 2007 7:23 AM
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This is something that a lot of us inside of Sun would dearly like to
see happen,
but we still haven't been able to break down the barriers among those
who own
the responsibility. We can still hope.
Stuart Kreitman
Ken Mays wrote:
> Alan,
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> For the Sun part that is closed, can a NDA exists between people HEAVILY involved on supporting X11 on Solaris (i.e. non-Sun)?!?
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> This way we can all be involved in support any of the Sun graphic cards and video device drivers.
>
> Will those heavenly gates ever be opened to those willing to sign an NDA??
>
> ~ Ken :o)
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> This message posted from opensolaris.org
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Re: Re: Draft of Project Proposal: Fully Open X (FOX)
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Jun 8, 2007 8:48 AM
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Ken Mays wrote:
> Alan,
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> For the Sun part that is closed, can a NDA exists between people HEAVILY involved on supporting X11 on Solaris (i.e. non-Sun)?!?
For the closed drivers for SPARC graphics cards:
Previous attempts by non-Sun people to get NDA's failed since you
have to coordinate a 3-way NDA between yourself, Sun, and the OEM
who made the card and is requiring Sun to keep the details secret.
If you want to try again, that's something you'd have to deal with
the SPARC graphics team on, not our core X team.
For the rest of the closed source X bits:
- DPS - No. But it's going away soon with the rest of Xsun.
- The AcceleratedX drivers for Xsun on x86 - I don't know, would have
to ask the x86 team, but we have the XFree86 porting kit to replace them,
and they're also on the way out.
- Most of the other bits we haven't opened - no NDA should be needed,
just time for someone here to sit down and clear/release the code.
If there's something specific you want, let us know.
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Revised Draft of Project Proposal: Fully Open X (FOX)
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Jun 21, 2007 2:18 PM
in response to: alanc
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Okay - here's an updated version with the details required by the OGB
project creation policy - if this is what we agree to, I'll send in
to the OGB to create the project. (For a formal vote we need votes
from a majority of the current Core Contributors - since we have only
three, and I vote to approve, that leaves a vote from either Jay or
Stuart being enough to get this started.)
-alan-
The X Window System Community has agreed to sponsor a new OpenSolaris
project, FOX: The Fully Open X Project.
The Fully Open X Project (FOX) will create a public Mercurial gate on
opensolaris.org containing a merge of these three source bases:
- the current OpenSolaris X code drops published by the Sun X team
- the Xorg SPARC driver sources created by Martin Bochnig for Martux
- the full X11R7.2 source builds created by Moinak Ghosh for Belenix
This will provide a common source base for distros to build from,
a faster release path for Sun's changes than releasing a snapshot
tarball every 1-2 months, and access to changes not yet accepted
by Sun's process into Solaris Express.
While the long term goal is Solaris API/ABI compatibility, that won't
be achieved initially (since Sun is still working on opening the
sources required for certain API's not yet in open source releases).
This will not be the master gate for Solaris for a while, but may
eventually be the master gate for the open portions of the Solaris X
consolidation.
While no other formal OpenSolaris Projects are related to this work,
as noted above, this work ties together work being done in the
Solaris Express, Martux and Belenix distros.
The X Window System Community thus requests the following from the
OGB/opensolaris.org team:
- A project page on the opensolaris.org web site
(short name: "FOX", long name "Fully Open X Project")
- A mercurial repository established under the project name "fox"
with an associated fox-commits at opensolaris dot org mailing list
created for subscribing to commit notifications.
The initial set of contributors/leaders for this project will be:
Martin Bochnig (bochnig)
Alan Coopersmith (alanc)
Jay Cotton (jacotton)
Moinak Ghosh (moinakg)
These 4 people should be given write access to the project web page
and the Mercurial repository. Alan & Jay are already Core Contributors
of the X Community - the Community at this time grants Contributor status
to Martin & Moinak, with the intention to review for Core Contributor
status once the project is underway.
The project for now will use the X Community's xwin-discuss mailing list.
(If traffic in the future becomes too great for that list, a separate
mailing list can be easily requested at that time.)
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Re: Revised Draft of Project Proposal: Fully Open X
(FOX)
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Alan Coopersmith wrote:
> - A mercurial repository established under the project name "fox"
> with an associated fox-commits at opensolaris dot org mailing list
> created for subscribing to commit notifications.
I believe -notify is the current standard being used by various other project teams.
Glynn
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Re: Revised Draft of Project Proposal: Fully Open
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Glynn Foster wrote:
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> Alan Coopersmith wrote:
>> - A mercurial repository established under the project name "fox"
>> with an associated fox-commits at opensolaris dot org mailing list
>> created for subscribing to commit notifications.
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> I believe -notify is the current standard being used by various other project teams.
Right - was thinking in the X.Org/freedesktop.org conventions when
I wrote that - will fix.
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Re: Revised Draft of Project Proposal: Fully Open X (FOX)
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Jun 27, 2007 8:29 AM
in response to: alanc
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> Okay - here's an updated version with the details
> required by the OGB
> project creation policy - if this is what we agree
> to, I'll send in
> to the OGB to create the project. (For a formal
> vote we need votes
> from a majority of the current Core Contributors -
> since we have only
> three, and I vote to approve, that leaves a vote from
> either Jay or
> Stuart being enough to get this started.)
>
> -alan-
'still alive.
Msg. read, just now:
Okay.
Till later ... (post_ July9th "era", as soon as I got time again.)
%martin%
> The X Window System Community has agreed to sponsor a
> new OpenSolaris
> project, FOX: The Fully Open X Project.
>
> The Fully Open X Project (FOX) will create a public
> Mercurial gate on
> opensolaris.org containing a merge of these three
> source bases:
> - the current OpenSolaris X code drops published by
> the Sun X team
> - the Xorg SPARC driver sources created by Martin
> Bochnig for Martux
> - the full X11R7.2 source builds created by Moinak
> Ghosh for Belenix
> his will provide a common source base for distros to
> build from,
> a faster release path for Sun's changes than
> releasing a snapshot
> tarball every 1-2 months, and access to changes not
> yet accepted
> by Sun's process into Solaris Express.
>
> While the long term goal is Solaris API/ABI
> compatibility, that won't
> be achieved initially (since Sun is still working on
> opening the
> sources required for certain API's not yet in open
> source releases).
> This will not be the master gate for Solaris for a
> while, but may
> eventually be the master gate for the open portions
> of the Solaris X
> consolidation.
>
> While no other formal OpenSolaris Projects are
> related to this work,
> as noted above, this work ties together work being
> done in the
> Solaris Express, Martux and Belenix distros.
>
> The X Window System Community thus requests the
> following from the
> OGB/opensolaris.org team:
>
> - A project page on the opensolaris.org web site
> short name: "FOX", long name "Fully Open X Project")
> - A mercurial repository established under the
> project name "fox"
> with an associated fox-commits at opensolaris dot org
> mailing list
> created for subscribing to commit notifications.
>
> The initial set of contributors/leaders for this
> project will be:
> Martin Bochnig (bochnig)
> Alan Coopersmith (alanc)
> Jay Cotton (jacotton)
> Moinak Ghosh (moinakg)
>
> These 4 people should be given write access to the
> project web page
> and the Mercurial repository. Alan & Jay are
> already Core Contributors
> of the X Community - the Community at this time
> grants Contributor status
> to Martin & Moinak, with the intention to review for
> Core Contributor
> status once the project is underway.
>
> The project for now will use the X Community's
> xwin-discuss mailing list.
> (If traffic in the future becomes too great for that
> list, a separate
> mailing list can be easily requested at that time.)
> -
> -Alan Coopersmith-
> - alan dot coopersmith at sun dot com
> Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System
> em Engineering
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Re: Re: Revised Draft of Project Proposal: Fully Open
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Martin Bochnig wrote:
> Till later ... (post_ July9th "era", as soon as I got time again.)
I'm on vacation June 30 - July 8, so the repository probably won't be
ready until after that anyway.
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Re: Revised Draft of Project Proposal: Fully Open X
(FOX)
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O.k. with me.
JC
Alan Coopersmith wrote:
> Okay - here's an updated version with the details required by the OGB
> project creation policy - if this is what we agree to, I'll send in
> to the OGB to create the project. (For a formal vote we need votes
> from a majority of the current Core Contributors - since we have only
> three, and I vote to approve, that leaves a vote from either Jay or
> Stuart being enough to get this started.)
>
> -alan-
>
> The X Window System Community has agreed to sponsor a new OpenSolaris
> project, FOX: The Fully Open X Project.
>
> The Fully Open X Project (FOX) will create a public Mercurial gate on
> opensolaris.org containing a merge of these three source bases:
> - the current OpenSolaris X code drops published by the Sun X team
> - the Xorg SPARC driver sources created by Martin Bochnig for Martux
> - the full X11R7.2 source builds created by Moinak Ghosh for Belenix
> This will provide a common source base for distros to build from,
> a faster release path for Sun's changes than releasing a snapshot
> tarball every 1-2 months, and access to changes not yet accepted
> by Sun's process into Solaris Express.
>
> While the long term goal is Solaris API/ABI compatibility, that won't
> be achieved initially (since Sun is still working on opening the
> sources required for certain API's not yet in open source releases).
> This will not be the master gate for Solaris for a while, but may
> eventually be the master gate for the open portions of the Solaris X
> consolidation.
>
> While no other formal OpenSolaris Projects are related to this work,
> as noted above, this work ties together work being done in the
> Solaris Express, Martux and Belenix distros.
>
> The X Window System Community thus requests the following from the
> OGB/opensolaris.org team:
>
> - A project page on the opensolaris.org web site
> (short name: "FOX", long name "Fully Open X Project")
> - A mercurial repository established under the project name "fox"
> with an associated fox-commits at opensolaris dot org mailing list
> created for subscribing to commit notifications.
>
> The initial set of contributors/leaders for this project will be:
> Martin Bochnig (bochnig)
> Alan Coopersmith (alanc)
> Jay Cotton (jacotton)
> Moinak Ghosh (moinakg)
>
> These 4 people should be given write access to the project web page
> and the Mercurial repository. Alan & Jay are already Core Contributors
> of the X Community - the Community at this time grants Contributor status
> to Martin & Moinak, with the intention to review for Core Contributor
> status once the project is underway.
>
> The project for now will use the X Community's xwin-discuss mailing list.
> (If traffic in the future becomes too great for that list, a separate
> mailing list can be easily requested at that time.)
>
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Project Approved: Fully Open X (FOX)
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Jun 28, 2007 1:26 PM
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The X Window System Community has agreed to sponsor a new OpenSolaris
project, FOX: The Fully Open X Project.
The Fully Open X Project (FOX) will create a public Mercurial gate on
opensolaris.org containing a merge of these three source bases:
- the current OpenSolaris X code drops published by the Sun X team
- the Xorg SPARC driver sources created by Martin Bochnig for Martux
- the full X11R7.2 source builds created by Moinak Ghosh for Belenix
This will provide a common source base for distros to build from,
a faster release path for Sun's changes than releasing a snapshot
tarball every 1-2 months, and access to changes not yet accepted
by Sun's process into Solaris Express.
While the long term goal is Solaris API/ABI compatibility, that won't
be achieved initially (since Sun is still working on opening the
sources required for certain API's not yet in open source releases).
This will not be the master gate for Solaris for a while, but may
eventually be the master gate for the open portions of the Solaris X
consolidation.
While no other formal OpenSolaris Projects are related to this work,
as noted above, this work ties together work being done in the
Solaris Express, Martux and Belenix distros.
The X Window System Community thus requests the following from the
OGB/opensolaris.org team:
- A project page on the opensolaris.org web site
(short name: "FOX", long name "Fully Open X Project")
- A mercurial repository established under the project name "fox"
with an associated fox-notify at opensolaris dot org mailing list
created for subscribing to commit notifications.
The initial set of contributors/leaders for this project will be:
Martin Bochnig (bochnig)
Alan Coopersmith (alanc)
Jay Cotton (jacotton)
Moinak Ghosh (moinakg)
These 4 people should be given write access to the project web page
and the Mercurial repository. Alan & Jay are already Core Contributors
of the X Community - the Community at this time grants Contributor status
to Martin & Moinak, with the intention to review for Core Contributor
status once the project is underway.
The project for now will use the X Community's xwin-discuss mailing list.
(If traffic in the future becomes too great for that list, a separate
mailing list can be easily requested at that time.)
[BTW: I will be on vacation from June 30 - July 8, so will be unable to
respond to any questions about this project setup during that time. I
believe both Jay & Martin are unavailable until July 9 as well, so if
anything's unclear, we can deal with it when we're all back. I'll be
doing the initial population of the Mercurial repository after I return.]
--
-Alan Coopersmith- alan dot coopersmith at sun dot com
Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering
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Re: [ogb-discuss] Project Approved: Fully Open X
(FOX)
Posted:
Jun 28, 2007 1:30 PM
in response to: alanc
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I'm not sure whether this falls in-scope or not, but I'd really like to
see a project plan that allows for the Open Source OpenGL
implementations to be binary compatible with OpenGL applications linked
against Sun's OpenGL libraries. Right now, due to the fact that Sun's
OpenGL implementation is closed (even the *ABI* is closed, although the
*API* is open) there isn't any reasonable way to achieve this.
There are a lot of folks with OpenGL applications on SPARC that will
never be able to use anything bug a closed-source Sun driver (on Sun 3D
graphics hardware, of course) until this is resolved. This is, IMO, the
worst kind of lock in.
If folks want more information, they can e-mail offline.
-- Garrett
Alan Coopersmith wrote:
> The X Window System Community has agreed to sponsor a new OpenSolaris
> project, FOX: The Fully Open X Project.
>
> The Fully Open X Project (FOX) will create a public Mercurial gate on
> opensolaris.org containing a merge of these three source bases:
> - the current OpenSolaris X code drops published by the Sun X team
> - the Xorg SPARC driver sources created by Martin Bochnig for Martux
> - the full X11R7.2 source builds created by Moinak Ghosh for Belenix
> This will provide a common source base for distros to build from,
> a faster release path for Sun's changes than releasing a snapshot
> tarball every 1-2 months, and access to changes not yet accepted
> by Sun's process into Solaris Express.
>
> While the long term goal is Solaris API/ABI compatibility, that won't
> be achieved initially (since Sun is still working on opening the
> sources required for certain API's not yet in open source releases).
> This will not be the master gate for Solaris for a while, but may
> eventually be the master gate for the open portions of the Solaris X
> consolidation.
>
> While no other formal OpenSolaris Projects are related to this work,
> as noted above, this work ties together work being done in the
> Solaris Express, Martux and Belenix distros.
>
> The X Window System Community thus requests the following from the
> OGB/opensolaris.org team:
>
> - A project page on the opensolaris.org web site
> (short name: "FOX", long name "Fully Open X Project")
> - A mercurial repository established under the project name "fox"
> with an associated fox-notify at opensolaris dot org mailing list
> created for subscribing to commit notifications.
>
> The initial set of contributors/leaders for this project will be:
> Martin Bochnig (bochnig)
> Alan Coopersmith (alanc)
> Jay Cotton (jacotton)
> Moinak Ghosh (moinakg)
>
> These 4 people should be given write access to the project web page
> and the Mercurial repository. Alan & Jay are already Core Contributors
> of the X Community - the Community at this time grants Contributor status
> to Martin & Moinak, with the intention to review for Core Contributor
> status once the project is underway.
>
> The project for now will use the X Community's xwin-discuss mailing list.
> (If traffic in the future becomes too great for that list, a separate
> mailing list can be easily requested at that time.)
>
> [BTW: I will be on vacation from June 30 - July 8, so will be unable to
> respond to any questions about this project setup during that time. I
> believe both Jay & Martin are unavailable until July 9 as well, so if
> anything's unclear, we can deal with it when we're all back. I'll be
> doing the initial population of the Mercurial repository after I
> return.]
>
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