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Display Managers
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Nov 26, 2007 12:38 AM
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So, GDM is rather large, and very tied to the GNOME desktop environment, dtlogin is being sadly jettisoned, and everyone seems opposed to xdm for some reason.
Anyone have any comments about replacing it with something like SLiM ( http://slim.berlios.de ), which is lighter, has less dependencies & is desktop environment agnostic ( all good things, imo ) and can be themed all pretty to boot.
Both GDM and SLiM are GPL, so either way we're left with viral licenses.
Bear in mind, I haven't done any footwork on this yet. Some time next week I'll build & Solaris-up SLiM and real evaluations can begin, but for now, just asking for comments on the idea
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Re: Display Managers
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Nov 26, 2007 10:28 AM
in response to: error404
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John Sonnenschein wrote:
> So, GDM is rather large, and very tied to the GNOME desktop environment,
> dtlogin is being sadly jettisoned, and everyone seems opposed to xdm for
> some reason.
can you (or someone else) elaborate on those reasons?
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Re: Display Managers
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Nov 26, 2007 10:55 AM
in response to: schuster
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On 26-Nov-07, at 10:28 AM, Michael Schuster wrote:
> John Sonnenschein wrote:
>> So, GDM is rather large, and very tied to the GNOME desktop
>> environment,
>> dtlogin is being sadly jettisoned, and everyone seems opposed to
>> xdm for
>> some reason.
>
> can you (or someone else) elaborate on those reasons?
the PSARC case to remove CDE was approved yesterday, so that's why
dtlogin's going away. I'm not sure why xdm isn't being chosen as the
default login and GDM is, but that's what I've been told by the people
in charge of the case.
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Shawn Walker
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Re: Display Managers
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Nov 26, 2007 10:56 AM
in response to: error404
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On 26/11/2007, John Sonnenschein <johnsonnenschein at gmail dot com> wrote:
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> On 26-Nov-07, at 10:28 AM, Michael Schuster wrote:
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> > John Sonnenschein wrote:
> >> So, GDM is rather large, and very tied to the GNOME desktop
> >> environment,
> >> dtlogin is being sadly jettisoned, and everyone seems opposed to
> >> xdm for
> >> some reason.
> >
> > can you (or someone else) elaborate on those reasons?
>
> the PSARC case to remove CDE was approved yesterday, so that's why
> dtlogin's going away. I'm not sure why xdm isn't being chosen as the
> default login and GDM is, but that's what I've been told by the people
> in charge of the case.
Probably because GNOME is Sun's desktop choice so it makes logical sense?
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Re: Display Managers
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Nov 26, 2007 11:02 AM
in response to: Shawn Walker
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On 26-Nov-07, at 10:56 AM, Shawn Walker wrote:
> On 26/11/2007, John Sonnenschein <johnsonnenschein at gmail dot com> wrote:
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>> On 26-Nov-07, at 10:28 AM, Michael Schuster wrote:
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>>> John Sonnenschein wrote:
>>>> So, GDM is rather large, and very tied to the GNOME desktop
>>>> environment,
>>>> dtlogin is being sadly jettisoned, and everyone seems opposed to
>>>> xdm for
>>>> some reason.
>>>
>>> can you (or someone else) elaborate on those reasons?
>>
>> the PSARC case to remove CDE was approved yesterday, so that's why
>> dtlogin's going away. I'm not sure why xdm isn't being chosen as the
>> default login and GDM is, but that's what I've been told by the
>> people
>> in charge of the case.
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> Probably because GNOME is Sun's desktop choice so it makes logical
> sense?
it doesn't make logical sense to me, but I'm inclined to look for what
we'd gain by having it rather than the lighter-weight option, and so
far all we gain from gdm over xdm is pretty background images... hence
my looking for alternatives that satisfy that need and don't result in
the huge gamut of ram-hungry dependencies that GDM has
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Re: Display Managers
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Nov 26, 2007 11:05 AM
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Michael Schuster wrote:
> John Sonnenschein wrote:
>> So, GDM is rather large, and very tied to the GNOME desktop environment,
>> dtlogin is being sadly jettisoned, and everyone seems opposed to xdm for
>> some reason.
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> can you (or someone else) elaborate on those reasons?
Both KDE3 and KDE4 have their own display manager -- kdm.
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Re: Display Managers
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Nov 26, 2007 11:15 AM
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On 26-Nov-07, at 11:05 AM, Stefan Teleman wrote:
> Michael Schuster wrote:
>> John Sonnenschein wrote:
>>> So, GDM is rather large, and very tied to the GNOME desktop
>>> environment,
>>> dtlogin is being sadly jettisoned, and everyone seems opposed to
>>> xdm for
>>> some reason.
>> can you (or someone else) elaborate on those reasons?
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> Both KDE3 and KDE4 have their own display manager -- kdm.
I know, but then it has KDE dependencies. I'm hoping to find something
that has neither GNOME or KDE dependencies so that both camps can be
made happy
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Re: Display Managers
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Nov 26, 2007 11:26 AM
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John Sonnenschein wrote:
> On 26-Nov-07, at 11:05 AM, Stefan Teleman wrote:
>> Both KDE3 and KDE4 have their own display manager -- kdm.
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> I know, but then it has KDE dependencies. I'm hoping to find something
> that has neither GNOME or KDE dependencies so that both camps can be
> made happy
kdm has dependencies on libX11.so, libXext.so, libXau.so, libXdmcp.so,
libsocket.so, libresolv.so, and the optional security/authentication libraries:
MIT KRB5, pam, rpcsvc. It doesn't have any dependencies on KDE libraries.
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Re: Display Managers
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Nov 26, 2007 11:37 AM
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On 26-Nov-07, at 11:26 AM, Stefan Teleman wrote:
> John Sonnenschein wrote:
>> On 26-Nov-07, at 11:05 AM, Stefan Teleman wrote:
>>> Both KDE3 and KDE4 have their own display manager -- kdm.
>> I know, but then it has KDE dependencies. I'm hoping to find
>> something that has neither GNOME or KDE dependencies so that both
>> camps can be made happy
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> kdm has dependencies on libX11.so, libXext.so, libXau.so,
> libXdmcp.so, libsocket.so, libresolv.so, and the optional security/
> authentication libraries: MIT KRB5, pam, rpcsvc. It doesn't have any
> dependencies on KDE libraries.
Really? I didn't know that.
Is this the case for kdm4 as well?
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Re: Display Managers
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Nov 26, 2007 11:37 AM
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John Sonnenschein wrote:
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> On 26-Nov-07, at 11:26 AM, Stefan Teleman wrote:
>> John Sonnenschein wrote:
>>> On 26-Nov-07, at 11:05 AM, Stefan Teleman wrote:
>>>> Both KDE3 and KDE4 have their own display manager -- kdm.
>>> I know, but then it has KDE dependencies. I'm hoping to find
>>> something that has neither GNOME or KDE dependencies so that both
>>> camps can be made happy
>>
>> kdm has dependencies on libX11.so, libXext.so, libXau.so, libXdmcp.so,
>> libsocket.so, libresolv.so, and the optional security/authentication
>> libraries: MIT KRB5, pam, rpcsvc. It doesn't have any dependencies on
>> KDE libraries.
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> Really? I didn't know that.
>
> Is this the case for kdm4 as well?
Yes.
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Re: Display Managers
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Nov 26, 2007 11:45 AM
in response to: Stefan Teleman
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On 26-Nov-07, at 11:36 AM, Stefan Teleman wrote:
> John Sonnenschein wrote:
>> On 26-Nov-07, at 11:26 AM, Stefan Teleman wrote:
>>> John Sonnenschein wrote:
>>>> On 26-Nov-07, at 11:05 AM, Stefan Teleman wrote:
>>>>> Both KDE3 and KDE4 have their own display manager -- kdm.
>>>> I know, but then it has KDE dependencies. I'm hoping to find
>>>> something that has neither GNOME or KDE dependencies so that
>>>> both camps can be made happy
>>>
>>> kdm has dependencies on libX11.so, libXext.so, libXau.so,
>>> libXdmcp.so, libsocket.so, libresolv.so, and the optional security/
>>> authentication libraries: MIT KRB5, pam, rpcsvc. It doesn't have
>>> any dependencies on KDE libraries.
>> Really? I didn't know that.
>> Is this the case for kdm4 as well?
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> Yes.
Cool, whereas....
$ ldd gdm-binary
libsocket.so.1 => /lib/libsocket.so.1
libnsl.so.1 => /lib/libnsl.so.1
libpam.so.1 => /lib/libpam.so.1
libwrap.so.1 => /usr/sfw/lib/libwrap.so.1
libcmd.so.1 => /usr/lib/libcmd.so.1
libsecdb.so.1 => /lib/libsecdb.so.1
libbsm.so.1 => /lib/libbsm.so.1
libdevinfo.so.1 => /lib/libdevinfo.so.1
libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0
libgobject-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0
libglib-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
libXdmcp.so.6 => /usr/openwin/lib/libXdmcp.so.6
libXau.so.6 => /usr/openwin/lib/libXau.so.6
libX11.so.4 => /usr/openwin/lib/libX11.so.4
libXext.so.0 => /usr/openwin/lib/libXext.so.0
libc.so.1 => /lib/libc.so.1
libmp.so.2 => /lib/libmp.so.2
libmd.so.1 => /lib/libmd.so.1
libscf.so.1 => /lib/libscf.so.1
libast.so.1 => /usr/lib/libast.so.1
libtsol.so.2 => /lib/libtsol.so.2
libnvpair.so.1 => /lib/libnvpair.so.1
libsec.so.1 => /lib/libsec.so.1
libgen.so.1 => /lib/libgen.so.1
libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/
libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0
libgmodule-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgmodule-2.0.so.0
libatk-1.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libatk-1.0.so.0
libcairo.so.2 => /usr/lib/libcairo.so.2
libpango-1.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libpango-1.0.so.0
libpangocairo-1.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/
libpangocairo-1.0.so.0
libXfixes.so.1 => /usr/sfw/lib/libXfixes.so.1
libm.so.2 => /lib/libm.so.2
libXi.so.5 => /usr/lib/libXi.so.5
libfontconfig.so.1 => /usr/lib/libfontconfig.so.1
libXrandr.so.2 => /usr/X11/lib/libXrandr.so.2
libmlib.so.2 => /usr/lib/libmlib.so.2
libuutil.so.1 => /lib/libuutil.so.1
libavl.so.1 => /lib/libavl.so.1
libz.so.1 => /usr/lib/libz.so.1
libfreetype.so.6 => /usr/sfw/lib/libfreetype.so.6
libpng12.so.0 => /usr/lib/libpng12.so.0
libXrender.so.1 => /usr/sfw/lib/libXrender.so.1
libpangoft2-1.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so.0
libexpat.so.0 => /usr/lib/libexpat.so.0
/platform/SUNW,Sun-Blade-1000/lib/libc_psr.so.1
/platform/SUNW,Sun-Blade-1000/lib/libmd_psr.so.1
/usr/lib/cpu/sparcv9+vis2/libmlib.so.2
eww.
So, why use GDM instead of KDM then? Other than "because it's there" ?
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