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Changelog SXCE?
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Feb 23, 2008 8:15 AM
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While I can understand that SXCE is a community edition - recently a helpful chap wrote to me in private mail "98% of the developers are SUN-employees" - I still see a great good in a changelog. As of now, a new nv_xy is just a black box of unknown content. The downloader outside has no clue what she gets, not at all. No, I would not want the gory details, but major updates of software as well as a summary of relevant patches of bugs would help all sides, including the developers. Knowing that said version nv_xy finally allows to use Rhythmbox or has a completely new printer-configuration-applet or patched the integration of apache, respectively added driver for RTL0987 and support for WPA2 would increase the efficiency very much: all the rest of us (2%?) out there, 'community', would know what to look for, and maybe even test those.
Even the insiders might be helped; I can't imagine that the bi-weekly releases are published without documented changelog, objective, deadlines, intentions; just blindly gobbled together? See, so why not adding a summary to the release announcement?
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Re: Changelog SXCE?
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Feb 23, 2008 8:58 AM
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Uwe Dippel wrote:
> While I can understand that SXCE is a community edition - recently a helpful chap wrote to me in private mail "98% of the developers are SUN-employees" - I still see a great good in a changelog. As of now, a new nv_xy is just a black box of unknown content. The downloader outside has no clue what she gets, not at all. No, I would not want the gory details, but major updates of software as well as a summary of relevant patches of bugs would help all sides, including the developers. Knowing that said version nv_xy finally allows to use Rhythmbox or has a completely new printer-configuration-applet or patched the integration of apache, respectively added driver for RTL0987 and support for WPA2 would increase the efficiency very much: all the rest of us (2%?) out there, 'community', would know what to look for, and maybe even test those.
> Even the insiders might be helped; I can't imagine that the bi-weekly releases are published without documented changelog, objective, deadlines, intentions; just blindly gobbled together? See, so why not adding a summary to the release announcement?
It would be great to do, but I don't know who would do that - the
website team maybe?
For now, while there's no unified ChangeLog, several of the
consolidations publish their changelogs:
ON (aka OS/Net - the kernel, drivers, and core utilities):
http://dlc.sun.com/osol/on/downloads/b83/on-changelog-b83.html
[have to change the build numbers in the URL for each build]
X Window System:
http://opensolaris.org/os/community/x_win/changelogs/
JDS Desktop (GNOME/Firefox/etc.):
Mailed to desktop-discuss - don't see an easy way to find other
than searching their archives, and I only see them for the
vermillion branch, not the nevada one delivered into SXCE.
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Re: [website-discuss] Changelog SXCE?
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Feb 24, 2008 11:59 AM
in response to: alanc
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Alan Coopersmith wrote:
> Uwe Dippel wrote:
>> While I can understand that SXCE is a community edition - recently a helpful chap wrote to me in private mail "98% of the developers are SUN-employees" - I still see a great good in a changelog. As of now, a new nv_xy is just a black box of unknown content. The downloader outside has no clue what she gets, not at all. No, I would not want the gory details, but major updates of software as well as a summary of relevant patches of bugs would help all sides, including the developers. Knowing that said version nv_xy finally allows to use Rhythmbox or has a completely new printer-configuration-applet or patched the integration of apache, respectively added driver for RTL0987 and support for WPA2 would increase the efficiency very much: all the rest of us (2%?) out there, 'community', would know what to look for, and maybe even test those.
>> Even the insiders might be helped; I can't imagine that the bi-weekly releases are published without documented changelog, objective, deadlines, intentions; just blindly gobbled together? See, so why not adding a summary to the release announcement?
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> It would be great to do, but I don't know who would do that - the
> website team maybe?
I can certainly add links to the changelogs in the mail that gets sent out.
Or is the idea to highlight the most important bits?
Derek
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> For now, while there's no unified ChangeLog, several of the
> consolidations publish their changelogs:
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> ON (aka OS/Net - the kernel, drivers, and core utilities):
> http://dlc.sun.com/osol/on/downloads/b83/on-changelog-b83.html
> [have to change the build numbers in the URL for each build]
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> X Window System:
> http://opensolaris.org/os/community/x_win/changelogs/
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> JDS Desktop (GNOME/Firefox/etc.):
> Mailed to desktop-discuss - don't see an easy way to find other
> than searching their archives, and I only see them for the
> vermillion branch, not the nevada one delivered into SXCE.
>
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Re: [website-discuss] Changelog SXCE?
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Feb 24, 2008 6:26 PM
in response to: dcicero8
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I don't know, Derek.
I was just thinking in terms of 'making attractive', enticing the crowd 'to give it a shot'. Similar to what Ubuntu does, OpenBSD, and 'our' own SXDE.
Actually, I got some people into trying SXDE by pointing to
http://developers.sun.com/sxde/features.jsp
Maybe with a link to the full changelog.
IMHO, outside of the core developer group, new applications, major bug fixes, changed version numbers of the relevant software (Firefox, Thunderbird, StarOffice, SunStudio, Netbeans) are interesting.
Yes, phigamma, if I were on the project I'd surely do it. If I were a full-time developer I could probably write up within 5 minutes what the shining new stuff is, especially since I'd have a 2-version access lead from internal availability, and be playing with it for some time.
Uwe
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Re: [website-discuss] Changelog SXCE?
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Feb 25, 2008 12:10 AM
in response to: dcicero8
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> I can certainly add links to the changelogs in the
> mail that gets sent out.
That would be great.
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Re: [website-discuss] Changelog SXCE?
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Feb 25, 2008 11:03 AM
in response to: dcicero8
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Uwe/Alan/Derek:
>> JDS Desktop (GNOME/Firefox/etc.):
>> Mailed to desktop-discuss - don't see an easy way to find other
>> than searching their archives, and I only see them for the
>> vermillion branch, not the nevada one delivered into SXCE.
The ChangeLog's that the JDS team submits, as Alan mentions, relates
to the development (Vermillion) branch. This development branch
corresponds to the current GNOME community development branch.
Since the SXDE/SXCE release schedule and the GNOME release schedule are
not aligned, and because there is some lag-time due to ARC (and
other processes needed to integrate into Nevada), the JDS team has
not always been able to update each SXCE/SXDE release with a new
GNOME release.
Therefore, I would say that the JDS changelog information posted to
desktop-discuss would be difficult to refactor into SXDE/SXCE
release notes.
It might be nice to check if SXDE/SXCE does include a new release of
GNOME. If so, it would be good to point to the latest GNOME
community release notes to highlight the new GNOME features. For
example, here is the 2.20 release notes:
http://www.gnome.org/start/2.20/notes/en/
There probably should be a disclaimer that Sun GNOME does not
follow the GNOME community 100%. For example, Solaris does not ship
any Mono based applications, nor do we ship Epiphany (the GNOME
web browser). So some information in the community release notes may
not apply to Solaris. However, I'd say 95% of what is in the typical
GNOME release notes does apply.
Likewise, Firefox, Thunderbird, etc. have similar notes for their
releases on their websites. I would suggest it might be better to
just refer to these, rather than to try and reinvent the wheel.
For example:
http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/2.0.0.12/releasenotes/
http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/thunderbird/2.0.0.9/releasenotes/
Brian
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Re: [website-discuss] Changelog SXCE?
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Feb 29, 2008 10:21 AM
in response to: yippi
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I included the links for ON and JDS in the 83 release announcement,
which I just sent, but it sounds like to do this right we need someone
to write up the highlights for each release. I know Dan Price[1] was
doing that for a while, but it was a lot of work. If someone wants to
volunteer to write it up I can coordinate with that person before I send
out the announcement.
Derek
[1] http://blogs.sun.com/dp/date/20041028#what_s_new_in_solaris1
Brian Cameron wrote:
> Uwe/Alan/Derek:
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>>> JDS Desktop (GNOME/Firefox/etc.):
>>> Mailed to desktop-discuss - don't see an easy way to find other
>>> than searching their archives, and I only see them for the
>>> vermillion branch, not the nevada one delivered into SXCE.
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> The ChangeLog's that the JDS team submits, as Alan mentions, relates
> to the development (Vermillion) branch. This development branch
> corresponds to the current GNOME community development branch.
>
> Since the SXDE/SXCE release schedule and the GNOME release schedule are
> not aligned, and because there is some lag-time due to ARC (and
> other processes needed to integrate into Nevada), the JDS team has
> not always been able to update each SXCE/SXDE release with a new
> GNOME release.
>
> Therefore, I would say that the JDS changelog information posted to
> desktop-discuss would be difficult to refactor into SXDE/SXCE
> release notes.
>
> It might be nice to check if SXDE/SXCE does include a new release of
> GNOME. If so, it would be good to point to the latest GNOME
> community release notes to highlight the new GNOME features. For
> example, here is the 2.20 release notes:
>
> http://www.gnome.org/start/2.20/notes/en/
>
> There probably should be a disclaimer that Sun GNOME does not
> follow the GNOME community 100%. For example, Solaris does not ship
> any Mono based applications, nor do we ship Epiphany (the GNOME
> web browser). So some information in the community release notes may
> not apply to Solaris. However, I'd say 95% of what is in the typical
> GNOME release notes does apply.
>
> Likewise, Firefox, Thunderbird, etc. have similar notes for their
> releases on their websites. I would suggest it might be better to
> just refer to these, rather than to try and reinvent the wheel.
> For example:
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> http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/2.0.0.12/releasenotes/
> http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/thunderbird/2.0.0.9/releasenotes/
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> Brian
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Re: [website-discuss] Changelog SXCE?
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Feb 29, 2008 10:44 AM
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I've tried to do it before and it's a lot of work - I've been putting
a handful of highlights (less than 140 characters worth) into the new
build announcements in twitter [1] but even that takes a while to
distill out from the information available.
The script I use for the X ChangeLogs pulls the bug ids from the RTC's,
which every consolidation submits internally listing their changes in
each build - we could use something similar to produce an SXCE-wide
ChangeLog, but would have to consider if we need to redact any bugs
(security or legal issues for instance) - I do that manually in the X
ones, since it's rare we need to do that and I know when it happens,
but I wouldn't know about any other consolidation. Perhaps this is
something the Tonic P-Team should discuss asking the consolidations
to think about?
[1] http://twitter.com/opensolaris
-Alan Coopersmith- alan dot coopersmith at sun dot com
Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering
Derek Cicero wrote:
> I included the links for ON and JDS in the 83 release announcement,
> which I just sent, but it sounds like to do this right we need someone
> to write up the highlights for each release. I know Dan Price[1] was
> doing that for a while, but it was a lot of work. If someone wants to
> volunteer to write it up I can coordinate with that person before I send
> out the announcement.
>
> Derek
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> [1] http://blogs.sun.com/dp/date/20041028#what_s_new_in_solaris1
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> Brian Cameron wrote:
>> Uwe/Alan/Derek:
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>>>> JDS Desktop (GNOME/Firefox/etc.):
>>>> Mailed to desktop-discuss - don't see an easy way to find other
>>>> than searching their archives, and I only see them for the
>>>> vermillion branch, not the nevada one delivered into SXCE.
>>
>> The ChangeLog's that the JDS team submits, as Alan mentions, relates
>> to the development (Vermillion) branch. This development branch
>> corresponds to the current GNOME community development branch.
>>
>> Since the SXDE/SXCE release schedule and the GNOME release schedule are
>> not aligned, and because there is some lag-time due to ARC (and
>> other processes needed to integrate into Nevada), the JDS team has
>> not always been able to update each SXCE/SXDE release with a new
>> GNOME release.
>>
>> Therefore, I would say that the JDS changelog information posted to
>> desktop-discuss would be difficult to refactor into SXDE/SXCE
>> release notes.
>>
>> It might be nice to check if SXDE/SXCE does include a new release of
>> GNOME. If so, it would be good to point to the latest GNOME
>> community release notes to highlight the new GNOME features. For
>> example, here is the 2.20 release notes:
>>
>> http://www.gnome.org/start/2.20/notes/en/
>>
>> There probably should be a disclaimer that Sun GNOME does not
>> follow the GNOME community 100%. For example, Solaris does not ship
>> any Mono based applications, nor do we ship Epiphany (the GNOME
>> web browser). So some information in the community release notes may
>> not apply to Solaris. However, I'd say 95% of what is in the typical
>> GNOME release notes does apply.
>>
>> Likewise, Firefox, Thunderbird, etc. have similar notes for their
>> releases on their websites. I would suggest it might be better to
>> just refer to these, rather than to try and reinvent the wheel.
>> For example:
>>
>> http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/2.0.0.12/releasenotes/
>> http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/thunderbird/2.0.0.9/releasenotes/
>>
>> Brian
>> _______________________________________________
>> opensolaris-discuss mailing list
>> opensolaris-discuss at opensolaris dot org
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Re: Changelog SXCE?
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Feb 24, 2008 2:07 AM
in response to: phigamma
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Thanks for the links.
Funny thing, though, is that the level of the majority is outside of the understanding of the newcomer. It's developers' land.
I wasn't complaining neither, I was sure some cornerstones were available per release.
Example, from one of your links:
"- Firefox 3.0 Beta 2 and Firefox 2.0.0.11 are in the build. Firefox 3 is the default browser."
This is the level I had it about. It might encourage more people outside to give it a try.
[It looks like most of my suggestions at helping adoption, whetting appetite, of potential users - BSD, Linux - are rather unconvincing]
Uwe
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