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[indiana-discuss] Feedback requested! Which SPARC platforms to
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Oct 8, 2008 10:59 AM
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All,
We're beginning work on getting a SPARC version of the OpenSolaris
distro from Sun. This version will target Q1 of CY '09 (hopefully early
Q1).
Although when doing a port much of this code will simply work on a
number of SPARC hardware configs, we're going to make sure we focus on a
couple (1 or 2) configurations/architectures as we get our first cut
ready (and we'll expand/test on more configs over time).
The 2 questions I have:
1. As a developer, which SPARC configuration would you be able/willing
to utilize for creating applications? Do you have old SPARC machines
that you would repurpose for this? Or would you prefer to target some
of the later offerings? Would the non-existence of a liveCD hamper you
(i.e. what if we could only use the automated installer to install the
bits)? Do you absolutely need graphics capability (i.e. do you need a
desktop environment or would just using compilers be ok for the first cut)?
2. As a deployer, which SPARC configuration would you believe we could
target for applications/packages in the repository? Mostly looking for
old vs. new machine question above.
Thanks for any feedback, we're taking this very seriously.
Tim
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Re: [indiana-discuss] Feedback requested! Which SPARC platforms to
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Oct 8, 2008 11:51 AM
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On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Tim Cramer <Timothy dot Cramer at sun dot com> wrote:
> All,
> We're beginning work on getting a SPARC version of the OpenSolaris
> distro from Sun. This version will target Q1 of CY '09 (hopefully early
> Q1).
> Although when doing a port much of this code will simply work on a
> number of SPARC hardware configs, we're going to make sure we focus on a
> couple (1 or 2) configurations/architectures as we get our first cut
> ready (and we'll expand/test on more configs over time).
> The 2 questions I have:
>
> 1. As a developer, which SPARC configuration would you be able/willing
> to utilize for creating applications? Do you have old SPARC machines
> that you would repurpose for this? Or would you prefer to target some
> of the later offerings? Would the non-existence of a liveCD hamper you
> (i.e. what if we could only use the automated installer to install the
> bits)? Do you absolutely need graphics capability (i.e. do you need a
> desktop environment or would just using compilers be ok for the first cut)?
I am most likely to do development on my personal machines (Ultra 2,
V210). I am much more likely to use graphics via VNC than direct
attachment. An automated installer is preferred, so long as a way to
bootstrap the entire process exists. That is, in the old days I had
to have a Solaris box running to act as a jumpstart server or
customize media before I could perform an automated installation.
Hopefully I can use a SXCE as the automated install server. If the
Ultra 2 isn't supportable right away, I would not be too upset - it
seems to have been getting a little slower as each year passes.
I am most likely to do testing for enterprise use on sun4v boxes
(T2000, T5120, T5220) - most likely inside a logical domain. No open
development will be done here. If graphics is required, it needs to
work over VNC or similar.
> 2. As a deployer, which SPARC configuration would you believe we could
> target for applications/packages in the repository? Mostly looking for
> old vs. new machine question above.
Most likely the same sun4v boxes above and again, most likely in
logical domains. Any sun4u testing is more likely to be done on a 25k
than any other platform.
> Thanks for any feedback, we're taking this very seriously
Thanks for asking!
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Re: [indiana-discuss] Feedback requested! Which SPARC platforms to
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Oct 8, 2008 1:27 PM
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On Wed, 8 Oct 2008, Tim Cramer wrote:
> All,
> We're beginning work on getting a SPARC version of the OpenSolaris
> distro from Sun. This version will target Q1 of CY '09 (hopefully early
> Q1).
Yay :)
> Although when doing a port much of this code will simply work on a
> number of SPARC hardware configs, we're going to make sure we focus on a
> couple (1 or 2) configurations/architectures as we get our first cut
> ready (and we'll expand/test on more configs over time).
> The 2 questions I have:
>
> 1. As a developer, which SPARC configuration would you be able/willing
> to utilize for creating applications? Do you have old SPARC machines
> that you would repurpose for this? Or would you prefer to target some
Blade 1000/1500/2000/2500 (sun4u-us3?). We have some customers using
SunFire 240/245, Ultra 25/45.
> of the later offerings? Would the non-existence of a liveCD hamper you
> (i.e. what if we could only use the automated installer to install the
No need for live cd.
> bits)? Do you absolutely need graphics capability (i.e. do you need a
> desktop environment or would just using compilers be ok for the first cut)?
>
We do our own graphics for these platforms, so none needed other
than the standard X11 libs/infrastructure/window managers, etc. No
xserver required.
> 2. As a deployer, which SPARC configuration would you believe we could
> target for applications/packages in the repository? Mostly looking for
> old vs. new machine question above.
See above :)
What 'new' sparc-based workstations are (or will be) available these days?
>
> Thanks for any feedback, we're taking this very seriously.
>
> Tim
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Re: [indiana-discuss] Feedback requested! Which SPARC platforms to
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Oct 8, 2008 2:42 PM
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On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Tim Cramer <Timothy dot Cramer at sun dot com> wrote:
1. As a developer, which SPARC configuration would you be able/willing
to utilize for creating applications? Do you have old SPARC machines
that you would repurpose for this? Or would you prefer to target some
of the later offerings? Would the non-existence of a liveCD hamper you
(i.e. what if we could only use the automated installer to install the
bits)? Do you absolutely need graphics capability (i.e. do you need a
desktop environment or would just using compilers be ok for the first cut)?
Sun4u (Blade 1000, Ultra 60). LiveCD not necessary. Graphics capability not absolutely necessary if virtual consoles works on that platform (I haven't tried). I do use direct graphics for the desktop, but virtual consoles would probably be a suitable replacement.
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Re: [indiana-discuss] Feedback requested! Which SPARC platforms to
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Oct 8, 2008 4:10 PM
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Tim Cramer wrote:
> All,
> We're beginning work on getting a SPARC version of the OpenSolaris
> distro from Sun. This version will target Q1 of CY '09 (hopefully early
> Q1).
> Although when doing a port much of this code will simply work on a
> number of SPARC hardware configs, we're going to make sure we focus on a
> couple (1 or 2) configurations/architectures as we get our first cut
> ready (and we'll expand/test on more configs over time).
> The 2 questions I have:
>
> 1. As a developer, which SPARC configuration would you be able/willing
> to utilize for creating applications? Do you have old SPARC machines
> that you would repurpose for this? Or would you prefer to target some
> of the later offerings? Would the non-existence of a liveCD hamper you
> (i.e. what if we could only use the automated installer to install the
> bits)? Do you absolutely need graphics capability (i.e. do you need a
> desktop environment or would just using compilers be ok for the first cut)?
>
> 2. As a deployer, which SPARC configuration would you believe we could
> target for applications/packages in the repository? Mostly looking for
> old vs. new machine question above.
>
> Thanks for any feedback, we're taking this very seriously.
>
> Tim
> _______________________________________________
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As a deployer, I hope you mean "end-user", but I may be wrong.
Me as an end user,
I use two different sparc systems, the Blade 2500 and an Ultra 2. Both
have the fastest 3D graphics, as I use them as Workstations for my CAD
software. So I graphics is important for me.
As for deploying (installing), a live cd is not critical. Any
installation method is acceptable.
Paul
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Re: [indiana-discuss] Feedback requested! Which SPARC platforms to
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Oct 9, 2008 1:57 AM
in response to: tjcramer
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Fantastic!
As a developer I'm using an Ultra 10 and a Sun Blade 100, but a desktop
environment is essential for me.
Tim Cramer wrote:
> All,
> We're beginning work on getting a SPARC version of the OpenSolaris
> distro from Sun. This version will target Q1 of CY '09 (hopefully early
> Q1).
> Although when doing a port much of this code will simply work on a
> number of SPARC hardware configs, we're going to make sure we focus on a
> couple (1 or 2) configurations/architectures as we get our first cut
> ready (and we'll expand/test on more configs over time).
> The 2 questions I have:
>
> 1. As a developer, which SPARC configuration would you be able/willing
> to utilize for creating applications? Do you have old SPARC machines
> that you would repurpose for this? Or would you prefer to target some
> of the later offerings? Would the non-existence of a liveCD hamper you
> (i.e. what if we could only use the automated installer to install the
> bits)? Do you absolutely need graphics capability (i.e. do you need a
> desktop environment or would just using compilers be ok for the first cut)?
>
> 2. As a deployer, which SPARC configuration would you believe we could
> target for applications/packages in the repository? Mostly looking for
> old vs. new machine question above.
>
> Thanks for any feedback, we're taking this very seriously.
>
> Tim
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Re: [indiana-discuss] Feedback requested! Which SPARC platforms to
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Oct 9, 2008 4:43 AM
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On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 6:59 PM, Tim Cramer <Timothy dot Cramer at sun dot com> wrote:
> All,
> We're beginning work on getting a SPARC version of the OpenSolaris
> distro from Sun. This version will target Q1 of CY '09 (hopefully early
> Q1).
> Although when doing a port much of this code will simply work on a
> number of SPARC hardware configs, we're going to make sure we focus on a
> couple (1 or 2) configurations/architectures as we get our first cut
> ready (and we'll expand/test on more configs over time).
> The 2 questions I have:
>
> 1. As a developer, which SPARC configuration would you be able/willing
> to utilize for creating applications? Do you have old SPARC machines
> that you would repurpose for this? Or would you prefer to target some
> of the later offerings?
My test environment consists of SunBlade 100, SunBlade 1500, Ultra 60.
So basically it's using up older hardware. I might be able to rustle up
something like a SunBlade 2000, SF280R, or even a V440. Looking at
ebay is instructive - UltraSparc III based boxes (SunBlade 1000, SF280R)
are readily available and excellent value.
> Would the non-existence of a liveCD hamper you
> (i.e. what if we could only use the automated installer to install the
> bits)?
You need both. I work in a variety of environments, some of which
absolutely require jumpstart, others where using a CD is essential.
> Do you absolutely need graphics capability (i.e. do you need a
> desktop environment or would just using compilers be ok for the first cut)?
Definitely need graphics.
> 2. As a deployer, which SPARC configuration would you believe we could
> target for applications/packages in the repository? Mostly looking for
> old vs. new machine question above.
Given the immaturity, it would be testing in the first instance, which basically
points you at the old machines.
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Re: [indiana-discuss] Feedback requested! Which SPARC platforms to
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Oct 9, 2008 4:43 AM
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Ultra 60, Ultra 80, T2000 are what machines I have access to (All are
remote) a full CLI environment on par with the standard x86 offerings
is a must. As for installation, text is fine, over serial would be
nice for the ones with a graphics card, and is a must for the T2000 as
I do not use Jumpstart, Flash archive or NAS images with ALOM.
Things that must work completely:
GCC, Sun Studio (gcc 3.x, 4.x if you can integrate it, and 11/12 for
studio)
All important libraries (LDAP, Ncurses, Boost) either included or
working from source build
Can't think of anything right now other than those mentioned being
more important. I look forward to a slimmed install because the T2000
came with 73GB SAS which ain't very big when the swap has to be huge
to meet the 16GB physical ram and then the bloat of Solaris 10
weighing in at 9gb with Studio and another 1-4gb for Blastwave
depending on the selection; very redundant.
James
On Oct 9, 2008, at 6:43 AM, Peter Tribble wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 6:59 PM, Tim Cramer <Timothy dot Cramer at sun dot com>
> wrote:
>> All,
>> We're beginning work on getting a SPARC version of the OpenSolaris
>> distro from Sun. This version will target Q1 of CY '09 (hopefully
>> early
>> Q1).
>> Although when doing a port much of this code will simply work on a
>> number of SPARC hardware configs, we're going to make sure we focus
>> on a
>> couple (1 or 2) configurations/architectures as we get our first cut
>> ready (and we'll expand/test on more configs over time).
>> The 2 questions I have:
>>
>> 1. As a developer, which SPARC configuration would you be able/
>> willing
>> to utilize for creating applications? Do you have old SPARC machines
>> that you would repurpose for this? Or would you prefer to target
>> some
>> of the later offerings?
>
> My test environment consists of SunBlade 100, SunBlade 1500, Ultra 60.
> So basically it's using up older hardware. I might be able to rustle
> up
> something like a SunBlade 2000, SF280R, or even a V440. Looking at
> ebay is instructive - UltraSparc III based boxes (SunBlade 1000,
> SF280R)
> are readily available and excellent value.
>
>> Would the non-existence of a liveCD hamper you
>> (i.e. what if we could only use the automated installer to install
>> the
>> bits)?
>
> You need both. I work in a variety of environments, some of which
> absolutely require jumpstart, others where using a CD is essential.
>
>> Do you absolutely need graphics capability (i.e. do you need a
>> desktop environment or would just using compilers be ok for the
>> first cut)?
>
> Definitely need graphics.
>
>> 2. As a deployer, which SPARC configuration would you believe we
>> could
>> target for applications/packages in the repository? Mostly
>> looking for
>> old vs. new machine question above.
>
> Given the immaturity, it would be testing in the first instance,
> which basically
> points you at the old machines.
>
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Re: [indiana-discuss] Feedback requested! Which SPARC platforms to
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Oct 9, 2008 5:49 AM
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For deployment, I would like to see UltraSPARC T2+, UltraSPARC T2 based systems supported.
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Re: [indiana-discuss] Feedback requested! Which SPARC platforms to
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On Oct 9, 2008, at 8:49 AM, Marc Hamilton wrote:
> For deployment, I would like to see UltraSPARC T2+, UltraSPARC T2
> based systems supported.
Fervently Seconded. OpenSolaris/SPARC in the data center nowadays
pretty much demands sun4v support in the form of T2000s and Huron/VF
boxes. A secondary target would be Mx000 OPL systems. sun4u would be
last as far as I'm concerned.
/dale
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Re: [indiana-discuss] Feedback requested! Which SPARC platforms to target first...
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Oct 9, 2008 7:25 AM
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> As a developer, which SPARC configuration would you
> be able/willing
> to utilize for creating applications? Do you have
> old SPARC machines
> that you would repurpose for this?
I am still running an old Sun Blade 100. It runs as a headless server with the latest Nevada builds (and quite well I might add for such an old machine).
In my opinion, the Ultra II should be the minimum if getting community members involved is important since used hardware in that category is affordable. I am sure there still is plenty of hardware in the category running in production around the World still as well.
> Would the non-existence of a
> liveCD hamper you
Nope.
> Do you absolutely need graphics capability
No, not at all.
Bill
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Re: [indiana-discuss] Feedback requested! Which SPARC platforms to target first...
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Oct 9, 2008 12:47 PM
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I would think that a good target would be machines that are cheap and plentiful on the used market
That is, U10, U5 ( maybe ), B100/150
my 0.02CAD , Desktop support would be a must
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Re: [indiana-discuss] Feedback requested! Which SPARC platforms to
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John Sonnenschein wrote:
> I would think that a good target would be machines that are cheap and plentiful on the used market
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> That is, U10, U5 ( maybe ), B100/150
>
> my 0.02CAD , Desktop support would be a must
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S5 too old and not so common usually run NetBSD from my observation. U2
(300/400), U10, U60, U80, E250, T1000, T2000 to start. First 5 are
UltraSPARC II's and can mostly be found for $150-800 USD on ebay from
time to time.
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Re: [indiana-discuss] Feedback requested! Which SPARC platforms to
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On 9-Oct-08, at 1:09 PM, James Cornell wrote:
> John Sonnenschein wrote:
>> I would think that a good target would be machines that are cheap
>> and plentiful on the used market
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>> That is, U10, U5 ( maybe ), B100/150
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>> my 0.02CAD , Desktop support would be a must
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> S5 too old and not so common usually run NetBSD from my
> observation. U2
> (300/400), U10, U60, U80, E250, T1000, T2000 to start. First 5 are
> UltraSPARC II's and can mostly be found for $150-800 USD on ebay from
> time to time.
>
> James
You're perhaps right about the U5, but I stand by my assesment of the
the B100 and B150
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Re: [indiana-discuss] Feedback requested! Which SPARC platforms to target first...
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Oct 9, 2008 1:32 PM
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> I would think that a good target would be machines
> that are cheap and plentiful on the used market
>
> That is, U10, U5 ( maybe ), B100/150
>
> my 0.02CAD , Desktop support would be a must
Basicly I am on your side.
Those are almost for free on ebay ($10 end price).
They are also very power-efficient at the first look. And at the second look they are even more power-efficient, because you cannot use them for serious work on the Solaris 10 or higher kernel and bundled fat colorful gtk-based userland. Therefore you won't power it up frequently and save even more electricity. They are unsuitable for development, except for a few small modules.
If you want the best deal (very cheap, yet powerful) pick a Blade 1000/2000 (identical), with cu cpu's (with re-enabled refetch-unit), with at least 4GB of mem and 2 FC-AL disks, then maybe plug in a USB2.0 card with Nec-chip, and there you are: Premium performance at $250,-. You may have to pay 200$ more, but you save years and can actually use it. Note that, while its power-supply is 670W, the box only consumes about 250W in average use. This is still 5-times the amount of what a SB100 needs, but, as said before: You can use the box for serious (big) projects.
Blade1000/2000 with dual x7009a, x7017a or x7310a offers the best SPARC-value you can ever get at that price. I have the****l, the all the others are lame in comparision. Most notably the U5/U10 (cmd646 bottleneck). But also U30/ Dual 450 U60 or quad 450 U80 are very **** slow, when compared to the Blade 1000/2000. According to spec.org the (higher-clocked) Blade 2000 even outperformed the fastest SB1500_Red and SB2500Red. Because the SB1000/2000 ships with modules, which contain the *real* US_III/US_III+ inside (the actual die is even pin-compatible to the US_IV+). It is not a shrinked-to-death cpu like IIi.orig, IIe or IIe+ (aka IIi 2nd). It is a real CPU :-)
The opinion of somebody who has all Sun ws models since the SS20 as test boxes at home (except for the more expensive IIIi based more recent models SB1500, SB2500, U25 and U45).
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Re: [indiana-discuss] Feedback requested! Which SPARC platforms to target first...
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Oct 9, 2008 1:38 PM
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And of course it is not the CPU alone, the Blade 1000/2000's System-Interconnect with Crossbar-Switch handles up to 4 GB/s. No other legacy sun4u ws compares to it.
The io is *amazing*.
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Re: [indiana-discuss] Feedback requested! Which SPARC platforms to target
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Those working on the cheap may well be using the same box as a workstation and
a local/workgroup server. So getting some of Martin's ports of BSD drivers up
to integration level quality might be really helpful. Systems that only have
PCI (not PCI-X or PCIe) but also have UPA do _much_ better when able to
use a UPA card, and on that front, the X.org ffb driver would cover the
Creator, Creator3D, and Elite-3D boards.
I for one probably won't be able to take Indiana for a spin on SPARC without
that (although I might have an old XVR-100 kicking around somewhere...yuck).
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Re: [indiana-discuss] Feedback requested! Which SPARC platforms to
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Richard L. Hamilton wrote:
> Those working on the cheap may well be using the same box as a workstation and
> a local/workgroup server. So getting some of Martin's ports of BSD drivers up
> to integration level quality might be really helpful. Systems that only have
> PCI (not PCI-X or PCIe) but also have UPA do _much_ better when able to
> use a UPA card, and on that front, the X.org ffb driver would cover the
> Creator, Creator3D, and Elite-3D boards.
>
> I for one probably won't be able to take Indiana for a spin on SPARC without
> that (although I might have an old XVR-100 kicking around somewhere...yuck).
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My formed Ultra 80 (E250-based) Quad USII with Creator graphics and a
DVD-rom was able to play movies pretty well, and it was certainly a nice
system for compressing data and doing encryption even by today's
standards, but the darn thing at load sucks up a large percentage of the
670W PSU's capacity and had to go. Solaris 10 faired quite well on it,
and my friend who I have it to has little bad to say about Solaris aside
from the bloat and is looking forward to support.
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Re: [indiana-discuss] Feedback requested! Which SPARC platforms to
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Why is it that people want to focus on dead (as a parrot) hardware?
Seriously? Leave the old desktop iron to NetBSD and the like. Pining
for OpenSolaris on your SS20 with leo graphics and prestoserv is about
as useful to the wider world as demanding your spoken interactions be
in Esperanto.
Speaking of bloat, wouldn't supporting hardware that has one rack ear
in the trash bin be a non-trivial contributor of such?
If OpenSolaris/SPARC is going to see or have a future, it would be on
current SPARC hardware which, aside from some Ultra 45's (RIP), lives
in racks in data centers.
/dale
On Oct 13, 2008, at 11:17 AM, James Cornell wrote:
> Richard L. Hamilton wrote:
>> Those working on the cheap may well be using the same box as a
>> workstation and
>> a local/workgroup server. So getting some of Martin's ports of BSD
>> drivers up
>> to integration level quality might be really helpful. Systems that
>> only have
>> PCI (not PCI-X or PCIe) but also have UPA do _much_ better when
>> able to
>> use a UPA card, and on that front, the X.org ffb driver would cover
>> the
>> Creator, Creator3D, and Elite-3D boards.
>>
>> I for one probably won't be able to take Indiana for a spin on
>> SPARC without
>> that (although I might have an old XVR-100 kicking around
>> somewhere...yuck).
>> --
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> My formed Ultra 80 (E250-based) Quad USII with Creator graphics and a
> DVD-rom was able to play movies pretty well, and it was certainly a
> nice
> system for compressing data and doing encryption even by today's
> standards, but the darn thing at load sucks up a large percentage of
> the
> 670W PSU's capacity and had to go. Solaris 10 faired quite well on
> it,
> and my friend who I have it to has little bad to say about Solaris
> aside
> from the bloat and is looking forward to support.
>
> James
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Re: [indiana-discuss] Feedback requested! Which SPARC platforms to
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Unless a discussion is required, a mail thread might not be the best
way to collect information on SPARC platforms to target. Every
user/owner of a box would be interested in their boxes being
supported.
Voting or checking internally to see what is selling or checking where
support orders are coming from or some such mechanism might help serve
the purpose better.
best regards
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Re: [indiana-discuss] Feedback requested! Which SPARC platforms to
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S h i v wrote:
> Unless a discussion is required, a mail thread might not be the best
> way to collect information on SPARC platforms to target. Every
> user/owner of a box would be interested in their boxes being
> supported.
> Voting or checking internally to see what is selling or checking where
> support orders are coming from or some such mechanism might help serve
> the purpose better.
>
>
IMO, I'll agree with you but, there are no more sparc desktop
(workstations) anymore. So checking on sales/support orders is kind of
a drying up source. With this voting sparc is dead. Basically in my
view, it comes down to owners voting.
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Re: [indiana-discuss] Feedback requested! Which SPARC platforms to target first...
Posted:
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To: Projects » indiana » discuss
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Nevada Build 99 on a single X7310A ( Blade 2000 Ultrasparc III+ 1200 MHz ) Has enough Graphic
performance on the Gnome Desktop so that you can actually live with it.
SunBlade 1500 ( RED 1.06 Ghz UltraSparc IIIi ) is a lot slower. Basically its CPU runs flatout
if you park the Firefox 3 webbrowser on a site with a Few Flash animations.
The Older Workstations with 400 Mhz Ultrasparc II Cpus Is going to struggle a lot
With the fullblown Gnome environmnet. I dont have one of those CPU's anymore.
The workstations that would be able to run Opensolaris comfortably with Gnome are
probably the:
Blade 2000 with Dual 900,1050 or 1200 Mhz CPU.s
Blade 2500 with Dual 1.28 or 1.6 Ghz
Blade 1500 Silver with 1.6 Ghz
Ultra 25 and ultra 45
Maybe Ultra 80 with 4 CPUS.
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Re: [indiana-discuss] Feedback requested! Which SPARC platforms to target first...
Posted:
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To: Projects » indiana » discuss
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E420s are plentiful on ebay. 280Rs to slightly lesser extent. I have several. ;-)
OK they aren't fast etc and are verynoisy (and heavy) - but they are accessible for a hobbyist.
I'm not bothered about a graphics adaptor.
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Re: [indiana-discuss] Feedback requested! Which SPARC platforms to
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>>1. As a developer, which SPARC configuration would you be able/willing
to utilize for creating applications?
Sun Blade 1500
>> Do you have old SPARC machines that you would repurpose for this?
Yes
>> Or would you prefer to target some of the later offerings?
Not in the 'general purpose' sense. But for special purposes, yes.
>> Would the non-existence of a liveCD hamper you (i.e. what if we could only use the automated installer to install the bits)?
No. But, a liveCD does help to assure your product works somewhat on the hardware instead of installing the bits and having a disaster.
>> Do you absolutely need graphics capability (i.e. do you need a desktop environment or would just using compilers be ok for the first cut)?
Yes. But, I can use compilers for the first cut.
>> As a deployer, which SPARC configuration would you believe we could
target for applications/packages in the repository? Mostly looking for
old vs. new machine question above.
UltraSPARC II-based systems and compatibles (i.e. Ultra 2/Sun Blade 100/150 compatibles and above)
Note: Media journalists, analysts, scientists, students, and hobbists (aka USERS) have evolved to the world of desktop environments and 3D graphics. So, don't throw DEs and graphics on the never-ending back burner if you are aiming this towards Sun workstation users/professionals. Otherwise, just make a server-only release.
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Re: [indiana-discuss] Feedback requested! Which SPARC platforms to
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Just simple X11 is good enough for me; Fluxbox and *maybe*
Enlightenment are the pinnacle of what is needed for local SPARC
workstations IMHO. Just getting X.org in a state where it'll work
with common FFB graphics (No 3D or anything fancy) would be enough for
this first release. I agree with Ken for most purposes about the
intended use. Personally I recommend SPARC workstations to those who
are maintaining custom in-house programs they run on big iron, but
anything else is really unnecessary to support. Just make sure things
that server people need are there, such as JDK and compilers and most
will be content.
James
On Oct 13, 2008, at 10:29 PM, Ken Mays wrote:
>>> 1. As a developer, which SPARC configuration would you be able/
>>> willing
> to utilize for creating applications?
>
> Sun Blade 1500
>
>>> Do you have old SPARC machines that you would repurpose for this?
>
> Yes
>
>>> Or would you prefer to target some of the later offerings?
>
> Not in the 'general purpose' sense. But for special purposes, yes.
>
>>> Would the non-existence of a liveCD hamper you (i.e. what if we
>>> could only use the automated installer to install the bits)?
>
> No. But, a liveCD does help to assure your product works somewhat on
> the hardware instead of installing the bits and having a disaster.
>
>>> Do you absolutely need graphics capability (i.e. do you need a
>>> desktop environment or would just using compilers be ok for the
>>> first cut)?
>
> Yes. But, I can use compilers for the first cut.
>
>>> As a deployer, which SPARC configuration would you believe we could
> target for applications/packages in the repository? Mostly looking for
> old vs. new machine question above.
>
> UltraSPARC II-based systems and compatibles (i.e. Ultra 2/Sun Blade
> 100/150 compatibles and above)
>
> Note: Media journalists, analysts, scientists, students, and
> hobbists (aka USERS) have evolved to the world of desktop
> environments and 3D graphics. So, don't throw DEs and graphics on
> the never-ending back burner if you are aiming this towards Sun
> workstation users/professionals. Otherwise, just make a server-only
> release.
>
> ~ Ken Mays
> --
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Re: [indiana-discuss] Feedback requested! Which SPARC platforms to
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That's a major assumption on what people really want. I think this
should be setup as a vote, as a previous
list fellow mentioned.
James Cornell wrote:
> Just simple X11 is good enough for me; Fluxbox and *maybe*
> Enlightenment are the pinnacle of what is needed for local SPARC
> workstations IMHO. Just getting X.org in a state where it'll work
> with common FFB graphics (No 3D or anything fancy) would be enough for
> this first release. I agree with Ken for most purposes about the
> intended use. Personally I recommend SPARC workstations to those who
> are maintaining custom in-house programs they run on big iron, but
> anything else is really unnecessary to support. Just make sure things
> that server people need are there, such as JDK and compilers and most
> will be content.
>
> James
> On Oct 13, 2008, at 10:29 PM, Ken Mays wrote:
>
>
>>>> 1. As a developer, which SPARC configuration would you be able/
>>>> willing
>>>>
>> to utilize for creating applications?
>>
>> Sun Blade 1500
>>
>>
>>>> Do you have old SPARC machines that you would repurpose for this?
>>>>
>> Yes
>>
>>
>>>> Or would you prefer to target some of the later offerings?
>>>>
>> Not in the 'general purpose' sense. But for special purposes, yes.
>>
>>
>>>> Would the non-existence of a liveCD hamper you (i.e. what if we
>>>> could only use the automated installer to install the bits)?
>>>>
>> No. But, a liveCD does help to assure your product works somewhat on
>> the hardware instead of installing the bits and having a disaster.
>>
>>
>>>> Do you absolutely need graphics capability (i.e. do you need a
>>>> desktop environment or would just using compilers be ok for the
>>>> first cut)?
>>>>
>> Yes. But, I can use compilers for the first cut.
>>
>>
>>>> As a deployer, which SPARC configuration would you believe we could
>>>>
>> target for applications/packages in the repository? Mostly looking for
>> old vs. new machine question above.
>>
>> UltraSPARC II-based systems and compatibles (i.e. Ultra 2/Sun Blade
>> 100/150 compatibles and above)
>>
>> Note: Media journalists, analysts, scientists, students, and
>> hobbists (aka USERS) have evolved to the world of desktop
>> environments and 3D graphics. So, don't throw DEs and graphics on
>> the never-ending back burner if you are aiming this towards Sun
>> workstation users/professionals. Otherwise, just make a server-only
>> release.
>>
>> ~ Ken Mays
>> --
>> This message posted from opensolaris.org
>> _______________________________________________
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Re: [indiana-discuss] Feedback requested! Which SPARC platforms to
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We all know how futile a vote is with Sun arbitrarily doing what
mother thinks best (For itself) so it really doesn't matter what
anyone says if they aren't sending in bricks of gold.
James
On Oct 14, 2008, at 9:17 AM, Yiannis Mavroukakis wrote:
> That's a major assumption on what people really want. I think this
> should be setup as a vote, as a previous
> list fellow mentioned.
>
> James Cornell wrote:
>> Just simple X11 is good enough for me; Fluxbox and *maybe*
>> Enlightenment are the pinnacle of what is needed for local SPARC
>> workstations IMHO. Just getting X.org in a state where it'll work
>> with common FFB graphics (No 3D or anything fancy) would be enough
>> for this first release. I agree with Ken for most purposes about
>> the intended use. Personally I recommend SPARC workstations to
>> those who are maintaining custom in-house programs they run on big
>> iron, but anything else is really unnecessary to support. Just
>> make sure things that server people need are there, such as JDK
>> and compilers and most will be content.
>>
>> James
>> On Oct 13, 2008, at 10:29 PM, Ken Mays wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>> 1. As a developer, which SPARC configuration would you be able/
>>>>> willing
>>>>>
>>> to utilize for creating applications?
>>>
>>> Sun Blade 1500
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Do you have old SPARC machines that you would repurpose for this?
>>>>>
>>> Yes
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Or would you prefer to target some of the later offerings?
>>>>>
>>> Not in the 'general purpose' sense. But for special purposes, yes.
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Would the non-existence of a liveCD hamper you (i.e. what if we
>>>>> could only use the automated installer to install the bits)?
>>>>>
>>> No. But, a liveCD does help to assure your product works somewhat
>>> on the hardware instead of installing the bits and having a
>>> disaster.
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Do you absolutely need graphics capability (i.e. do you need a
>>>>> desktop environment or would just using compilers be ok for the
>>>>> first cut)?
>>>>>
>>> Yes. But, I can use compilers for the first cut.
>>>
>>>
>>>>> As a deployer, which SPARC configuration would you believe we
>>>>> could
>>>>>
>>> target for applications/packages in the repository? Mostly looking
>>> for
>>> old vs. new machine question above.
>>>
>>> UltraSPARC II-based systems and compatibles (i.e. Ultra 2/Sun
>>> Blade 100/150 compatibles and above)
>>>
>>> Note: Media journalists, analysts, scientists, students, and
>>> hobbists (aka USERS) have evolved to the world of desktop
>>> environments and 3D graphics. So, don't throw DEs and graphics on
>>> the never-ending back burner if you are aiming this towards Sun
>>> workstation users/professionals. Otherwise, just make a server-
>>> only release.
>>>
>>> ~ Ken Mays
>>> --
>>> This message posted from opensolaris.org
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Re: [indiana-discuss] Feedback requested! Which SPARC platforms to
Posted:
Oct 14, 2008 9:18 AM
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> Just simple X11 is good enough for me; Fluxbox and
> *maybe*
> Enlightenment are the pinnacle of what is needed for
> local SPARC
> workstations IMHO. Just getting X.org in a state
> where it'll work
> with common FFB graphics (No 3D or anything fancy)
> would be enough for
> this first release.
What do you mean??
If you try out
http://www.martux.org/SPARC_distro_incl_Xorg7.2/
or
http://user.cs.tu-berlin.de/~mbeinsx/FOX/bin-snapshots/
then you will instantly see, that this milestone has been reached already.
HW compat matrix:
http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/fox/SPARC-Xorg/
fox-gate src repo:
http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/fox/fox-gate/
hg clone ssh://anon at hg dot opensolaris dot org/hg/fox/fox-gate
Regards,
Martin Bochnig
Natamar project
> I agree with Ken for most
> purposes about the
> intended use. Personally I recommend SPARC
> workstations to those who
> are maintaining custom in-house programs they run on
> big iron, but
> anything else is really unnecessary to support. Just
> make sure things
> that server people need are there, such as JDK and
> compilers and most
> will be content.
>
> James
> On Oct 13, 2008, at 10:29 PM, Ken Mays wrote:
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Re: [indiana-discuss] Feedback requested! Which SPARC platforms to
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Then there's nothing major blocking the release ;-)
James
On Oct 14, 2008, at 11:18 AM, Martin Bochnig wrote:
>> Just simple X11 is good enough for me; Fluxbox and
>> *maybe*
>> Enlightenment are the pinnacle of what is needed for
>> local SPARC
>> workstations IMHO. Just getting X.org in a state
>> where it'll work
>> with common FFB graphics (No 3D or anything fancy)
>> would be enough for
>> this first release.
>
>
> What do you mean??
>
> If you try out
> http://www.martux.org/SPARC_distro_incl_Xorg7.2/
> or
> http://user.cs.tu-berlin.de/~mbeinsx/FOX/bin-snapshots/
> then you will instantly see, that this milestone has been reached
> already.
>
> HW compat matrix:
> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/fox/SPARC-Xorg/
>
> fox-gate src repo:
> http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/fox/fox-gate/
> hg clone ssh://anon at hg dot opensolaris dot org/hg/fox/fox-gate
>
>
> Regards,
> Martin Bochnig
> Natamar project
>
>> I agree with Ken for most
>> purposes about the
>> intended use. Personally I recommend SPARC
>> workstations to those who
>> are maintaining custom in-house programs they run on
>> big iron, but
>> anything else is really unnecessary to support. Just
>> make sure things
>> that server people need are there, such as JDK and
>> compilers and most
>> will be content.
>>
>> James
>> On Oct 13, 2008, at 10:29 PM, Ken Mays wrote:
> --
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Re: [indiana-discuss] Feedback requested! Which SPARC platforms to
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Posted:
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On 10/8/08, Tim Cramer <Timothy dot Cramer at sun dot com> wrote:
> All,
> We're beginning work on getting a SPARC version of the OpenSolaris
> distro from Sun. This version will target Q1 of CY '09 (hopefully early
> Q1).
> Although when doing a port much of this code will simply work on a
> number of SPARC hardware configs, we're going to make sure we focus on a
> couple (1 or 2) configurations/architectures as we get our first cut
> ready (and we'll expand/test on more configs over time).
> The 2 questions I have:
>
> 1. As a developer, which SPARC configuration would you be able/willing
> to utilize for creating applications? Do you have old SPARC machines
> that you would repurpose for this?
As a student the only affordable machine is a Sun Ultra 10, 512MB,
Creator 3D from ebay.de. Or support cross compile of ON on x86 for
SPARC. University Frankfurt is a very large university but finding a
fast SPARC to conduct ON development is impossible, even here
>Or would you prefer to target some
> of the later offerings? Would the non-existence of a liveCD hamper you
> (i.e. what if we could only use the automated installer to install the
> bits)?
Yes, this would hamper me
> Do you absolutely need graphics capability (i.e. do you need a
> desktop environment or would just using compilers be ok for the first cut)?
Yes, I need the graphics capability to run KDE (or GNOME if no KDE is installed)
> 2. As a deployer, which SPARC configuration would you believe we could
> target for applications/packages in the repository? Mostly looking for
> old vs. new machine question above.
Sun Ultra 10 with 512MB, Creator 3D
Jenny
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Jennifer Pioch, Uni Frankfurt
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Re: [indiana-discuss] Feedback requested! Which SPARC platforms to
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Jennifer Pioch wrote:
> On 10/8/08, Tim Cramer <Timothy dot Cramer at sun dot com> wrote:
>
>> All,
>> We're beginning work on getting a SPARC version of the OpenSolaris
>> distro from Sun. This version will target Q1 of CY '09 (hopefully early
>> Q1).
>> Although when doing a port much of this code will simply work on a
>> number of SPARC hardware configs, we're going to make sure we focus on a
>> couple (1 or 2) configurations/architectures as we get our first cut
>> ready (and we'll expand/test on more configs over time).
>> The 2 questions I have:
>>
>> 1. As a developer, which SPARC configuration would you be able/willing
>> to utilize for creating applications? Do you have old SPARC machines
>> that you would repurpose for this?
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> As a student the only affordable machine is a Sun Ultra 10, 512MB,
> Creator 3D from ebay.de. Or support cross compile of ON on x86 for
> SPARC. University Frankfurt is a very large university but finding a
> fast SPARC to conduct ON development is impossible, even here
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>
>> Or would you prefer to target some
>> of the later offerings? Would the non-existence of a liveCD hamper you
>> (i.e. what if we could only use the automated installer to install the
>> bits)?
>>
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> Yes, this would hamper me
>
>
>> Do you absolutely need graphics capability (i.e. do you need a
>> desktop environment or would just using compilers be ok for the first cut)?
>>
>
> Yes, I need the graphics capability to run KDE (or GNOME if no KDE is installed)
>
>
>> 2. As a deployer, which SPARC configuration would you believe we could
>> target for applications/packages in the repository? Mostly looking for
>> old vs. new machine question above.
>>
>
> Sun Ultra 10 with 512MB, Creator 3D
>
> Jenny
>
Ultra 2 with 1GB ram and Creator 3D may also be an option. 4 years ago
I got mine off ebay for about $169 USD.
James
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Re: [indiana-discuss] Feedback requested! Which SPARC platforms to target first...
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Jan 3, 2009 8:59 AM
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I own a Sun Blade 1000, Sun Blade 2000, Sun Ultra 30, and a Sun Enterprise 450 server. I am looking to buy a Sun Blade 2500 in the near term. I have been desperately waiting for a version of Opensolaris that will run on these platforms. I use the Sun4u (Sun Blade 1000/2000) more than the the ultra 30. I would definitely need a desktop environment as I use these machines as workstations. My preference is for the sparc port to behave exactly like the x86/x64 distro of opensolaris. I do not need the live cd a regular install method like what is available with linux is fine. But I do need the full complement of software, X server (preferrably hardware accelerated), gcc, and gnu utils. I also want to be able to use the Sun Studio Express compilers on this platform.
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Re: [indiana-discuss] Feedback requested! Which SPARC platforms to
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Juan Casero wrote:
> I own a Sun Blade 1000, Sun Blade 2000, Sun Ultra 30, and a Sun Enterprise 450 server. I am looking to buy a Sun Blade 2500 in the near term. I have been desperately waiting for a version of Opensolaris that will run on these platforms. I use the Sun4u (Sun Blade 1000/2000) more than the the ultra 30. I would definitely need a desktop environment as I use these machines as workstations. My preference is for the sparc port to behave exactly like the x86/x64 distro of opensolaris. I do not need the live cd a regular install method like what is available with linux is fine. But I do need the full complement of software, X server (preferrably hardware accelerated), gcc, and gnu utils. I also want to be able to use the Sun Studio Express compilers on this platform.
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Today, you can use SXCE. An SXCE install can be made to "look like"
OpenSolaris, but the underlying structure is different -- especially
packaging. Go for it!
-- richard
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Re: [indiana-discuss] Feedback requested! Which SPARC platforms to target first...
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I am a developer for a small software company. We support our product on UltraSPARC. I use a refurbed Blade 1500 for my development work. For me the important part is 64-bit support. I don't use a graphical desktop at all. I only ssh into the machine for compiling.
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Re: [indiana-discuss] Feedback requested! Which SPARC platforms to
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Rand All wrote:
> I am a developer for a small software company. We support our product on UltraSPARC. I use a refurbed Blade 1500 for my development work. For me the important part is 64-bit support. I don't use a graphical desktop at all. I only ssh into the machine for compiling.
The initial SPARC development release will be tested on sun4v, but
it also already works on sun4u. This is development bits only
of course; there should be a pretty complete set of bits in time
for our next real release come spring/summmer.
- Bart
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