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[advocacy-discuss] Proposal for new OSUGs in Hangzhou/Xi'an at China
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Oct 30, 2008 8:13 AM
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Hi ,
We'd like to propose the formation of two new OSUGs in Hangzhou/Xi'an at China.
These two groups have been in existence at China for a while. As the
core member of the two user groups, I participated in all of them in
many different ways. As the a open source group, especially interesting
in OpenSolaris area, it is particularly important to participate on
OpenSolaris community so that we have a convenient way to communicate
across all the OSUGs and projects around the world, meanwhile keep us
posted on the latest progress of new technology.
Description of the two groups:
How can we attract and keep more open source fans stay at OpenSolaris
and help them to learn and use the OpenSolaris at their daily life?
These information are spread over the internet, sometimes in a very
technical language, so we would like to make a centralized point (prefer
to use Chinese) using easier expressions. They can share their ideas and
communicate better here. The projects will archive their contributions,
presentations, and other material to the project space on the
OpenSolaris site.
Please check out the current situation of the two existed groups for
more details.
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Group Name: HZOSUG
Location: Hangzhou,Zhejiang Province, China
List of Four OpenSolaris.org Member IDs:
-xgai,
-baikthh,
-ding,
-duan_st
Participants:
Until now, HZOSUG has 25 registered active members into this group.
Activities:
On Aguest 30, we have accomplished the first group meeting at hangzhou,
more than 30 developers attended this meeting.The topic of this event
focused on Web&Enterprise application and deployment based on
OpenSolaris platform, lots of popular open source technologies including
MySQL, OpenOffice and OpenSolaris etc. were discussed here.
Most recent event: 2008.11.01
13:30 ~ 14:00：Registration
14:00 ~ 14:45：Virtual Network in OpenSolaris
14:45 ~ 15:00：Q&A
15:00 ~ 15:45：Grails on Groove
15:45 ~ 16:00：Q&A
16:00 ~ 17:00：Free Talking on OpenSolaris/OpenSource
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Group Name: XAOSUG
Location: Xi'an,Shanxi Province, China
List of Four OpenSolaris.org Member IDs:
-jaylee,
-lgh_xd,
-sdsxlj,
-duan_st
Participants:
Until now, XAOSUG has 15 registered active members into this group.
Activities:
On Aguest 31, we have accomplished the first group meeting at xi'an,
more than 15 developers attended this meeting.The agend is listed at
the following:
Most recent event: 2008.08.31
13:30 ~ 14:00：Registration
14:00 ~ 14:45：Oracle Applications on OpenSolaris
14:45 ~ 15:00：Q&A
15:00 ~ 15:45：Grails Applications
15:45 ~ 16:00：Q&A
16:00 ~ 17:00：Free Talking on OpenSolaris/OpenSource
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Thank You
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Re: [advocacy-discuss] Proposal for new OSUGs in Hangzhou/Xi'an at
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Oct 30, 2008 8:23 AM
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你好 段少婷！
Fiona Duan a écrit :
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Group Name: HZOSUG
> Location: Hangzhou,Zhejiang Province, China
+1
> Group Name: XAOSUG
> Location: Xi'an,Shanxi Province, China
+1
I'm impressed that you manage to handle so many UG! Great work there :-)
Laurent
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Re: [advocacy-discuss] Proposal for new OSUGs in Hangzhou/Xi'an at
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Oct 30, 2008 8:45 AM
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Hi Laurent,
Thank you so much for voting and thank you for participanting user group
meeting when you were at beijing. :-)
By the way, it is my great pleasure to hear that you say hi to me in my
chinese name, very special.;-)
best regards,
shaoting
Laurent Blume wrote:
> 你好 段少婷！
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> Fiona Duan a écrit :
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>> Group Name: HZOSUG
>> Location: Hangzhou,Zhejiang Province, China
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> +1
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>> Group Name: XAOSUG
>> Location: Xi'an,Shanxi Province, China
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> +1
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> I'm impressed that you manage to handle so many UG! Great work there :-)
>
> Laurent
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Re: [advocacy-discuss] Proposal for new OSUGs in Hangzhou/Xi'an at
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Posted:
Oct 30, 2008 5:20 PM
in response to: Laurent Blume
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The great success in China comes from the fact that there are many
people from many teams working on this. Right now there are six OSUG's
in China. Fiona Duan (from OpenSolaris Engineering Team) handles the one
in Beijing (BJOSUG), Adam Zhang (from ISV/E team) handles the one in
Shanghai (SHOSUG) Rachel Zhang (from AGC team) handles the one in
Chengdu (CDOSUG), Victor Jie (from GSS) and Benny Luo (from ISV/E team)
handle the one in Shenzhen (SZOSUG), while Rita Zhang and Alex Peng
(both from SDN China team) handle the newly registered Hangzhou (HZOSUG)
and Xi'AN (XAOSUG). There is an emerging OSUG in Nanjing going on, also
led by Rita and Alex. This one might join the big family in the near
future. The Open Community team led by James Bai is also doing great
work in building OSUG's, they might come by and ask to setup new OSUG's
in some other area in China very soon.
It is interesting that different OSUG's in China show different
behavior. For example, the one in Beijing (BJOSUG) tends to use Sun
speakers extensively, because there are a lot of Sun engineers available
as speakers (the meeting venue is actually a conference room in Tsinghua
Science Park that hosts Sun China Engineering and Research Institute).
The meetings are like lectures with Q&A's. The three OSUG's in Chengdu
(CDOSUG), Hangzhou (HZOSUG) and Xi'An (XAOSUG) tend to use none-Sun
speakers. Because all these areas are remote from Sun offices and it is
not possible to have Sun people to present each and every time. The
meetings are like salons, with equal amount of presentations and
discussions (or event more discussions). All these three OSUG's choose
to use cafe instead of conference rooms for their meetings. This
eliminates the need to rent a meeting facility, and OSUG members do not
expect others to pay for their drink. Generally speaking, the size of
BJOSUG is a lot bigger, with audience size of 60-150, while the ones in
Chengdu, Hangzhou, and Xi'An has about 20-30. This small size makes it
convenient to host the meetings anywhere, and promotes a community
sharing -- rather than lecturing -- atmosphere. We believe that this
might be a good direction to build OSUG's in China, still experimenting...
I am concerned by the fact that Shenzhen (SZOSUG) and Shanghai (SHOSUG)
are now less active than before. Our team might try to rejuvenate these
two OSUG's, with the experienced we acquired from Chengdu, Hangzhou, and
Xi'An. This is exactly why we do not want to register the OSUG in
Nanjing at this point. We want to do some work of good quality before
attaching an OSUG label to it.
Best regards,
("`-''-/").___..--''"`-._ Qingye Jiang (John)
`6_ 6 ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`) Senior Manager
(_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `. ``-..- Sun Developer Network, China
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Laurent Blume 写道:
> 你好 段少婷！
>
> Fiona Duan a écrit :
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>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>> Group Name: HZOSUG
>> Location: Hangzhou,Zhejiang Province, China
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> +1
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>> Group Name: XAOSUG
>> Location: Xi'an,Shanxi Province, China
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> +1
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> I'm impressed that you manage to handle so many UG! Great work there :-)
>
> Laurent
>
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Re: [advocacy-discuss] Proposal for new OSUGs in Hangzhou/Xi'an at
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Posted:
Oct 30, 2008 7:23 PM
in response to: qjiang
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Qingye Jiang (John) wrote:
<snip>
> he Open Community team led by James Bai is also doing great
> work in building OSUG's, they might come by and ask to setup new OSUG's
> in some other area in China very soon.
>
Cool. If they need any help, ping this list or let me know.
> It is interesting that different OSUG's in China show different
> behavior. For example, the one in Beijing (BJOSUG) tends to use Sun
> speakers extensively, because there are a lot of Sun engineers available
> as speakers (the meeting venue is actually a conference room in Tsinghua
> Science Park that hosts Sun China Engineering and Research Institute).
> The meetings are like lectures with Q&A's. The three OSUG's in Chengdu
> (CDOSUG), Hangzhou (HZOSUG) and Xi'An (XAOSUG) tend to use none-Sun
> speakers. Because all these areas are remote from Sun offices and it is
> not possible to have Sun people to present each and every time. The
> meetings are like salons, with equal amount of presentations and
> discussions (or event more discussions). All these three OSUG's choose
> to use cafe instead of conference rooms for their meetings. This
> eliminates the need to rent a meeting facility, and OSUG members do not
> expect others to pay for their drink. Generally speaking, the size of
> BJOSUG is a lot bigger, with audience size of 60-150, while the ones in
> Chengdu, Hangzhou, and Xi'An has about 20-30. This small size makes it
> convenient to host the meetings anywhere, and promotes a community
> sharing -- rather than lecturing -- atmosphere. We believe that this
> might be a good direction to build OSUG's in China, still experimenting...
>
Smaller sizes further away from Sun offices do offer some flexibility, I
agree. Others have reported similar experiences. Also, your observations
on the "lecture" style is also interesting. There is a lot of that here
in Japan, but I think it's common in some other regions as well. To
break things up a bit, the team here is doing more nomikais
(drinking/eating parties) after the main sessions, so this way there is
no structure at all but you are still together talking about the
technology over beers. In general, I find that the most interesting
groups try to focus more on doing a greater number of shorter sessions
rather than a few long sessions. Again, this is just an effort to
increase participation and reduce formality.
> I am concerned by the fact that Shenzhen (SZOSUG) and Shanghai (SHOSUG)
> are now less active than before.
I have to be in Hefei in mid November, which seems pretty close to
Shanghai. I may be able to stop by if need be. Think we can get a little
meeting together? Nothing formal, of course. :)
> Our team might try to rejuvenate these
> two OSUG's, with the experienced we acquired from Chengdu, Hangzhou, and
> Xi'An. This is exactly why we do not want to register the OSUG in
> Nanjing at this point. We want to do some work of good quality before
> attaching an OSUG label to it.
We appreciate that. :) And we appreciate that these new groups in China
are connecting to the main community like this. I think all sides will
learn a great deal from this experience.
Jim
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Re: [advocacy-discuss] Proposal for new OSUGs in Hangzhou/Xi'an at
China
Posted:
Oct 31, 2008 2:47 AM
in response to: jimgris
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Thanks for John's great description of OSUG in China, and connecting to
Jim.
My team plans (in FY09) to recruit 10 ambassadors in 10 software parks
(of 10 cities), as Sun's delegate to help promote Sun's open source
technologies in software parks where there are a lot of ISVs and
developers. We are working with Fang Li/Fiona Duan to set up OSUG in
those 10 cities. These citis are 长沙、武汉、大连、济南、西安、长春、青岛、郑州、重庆、福州。
I believe John and Jim could contribute a lot for this program for your
plenty of experiencs.
I copy this message to Kangping and Polly, they are the owners from my
team for this program.
If you are interested in this program, please take a look at:
https://oc-gc.dev.java.net/servlets/ProjectProcess?tab=1
Cheers,
James
Jim Grisanzio wrote:
<pre wrap="">Qingye Jiang (John) wrote:
<snip>
</pre>
<pre wrap="">he Open Community team led by James Bai is also doing great
work in building OSUG's, they might come by and ask to setup new OSUG's
in some other area in China very soon.
</pre>
<pre wrap=""><!---->
Cool. If they need any help, ping this list or let me know.
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">It is interesting that different OSUG's in China show different
behavior. For example, the one in Beijing (BJOSUG) tends to use Sun
speakers extensively, because there are a lot of Sun engineers available
as speakers (the meeting venue is actually a conference room in Tsinghua
Science Park that hosts Sun China Engineering and Research Institute).
The meetings are like lectures with Q&A's. The three OSUG's in Chengdu
(CDOSUG), Hangzhou (HZOSUG) and Xi'An (XAOSUG) tend to use none-Sun
speakers. Because all these areas are remote from Sun offices and it is
not possible to have Sun people to present each and every time. The
meetings are like salons, with equal amount of presentations and
discussions (or event more discussions). All these three OSUG's choose
to use cafe instead of conference rooms for their meetings. This
eliminates the need to rent a meeting facility, and OSUG members do not
expect others to pay for their drink. Generally speaking, the size of
BJOSUG is a lot bigger, with audience size of 60-150, while the ones in
Chengdu, Hangzhou, and Xi'An has about 20-30. This small size makes it
convenient to host the meetings anywhere, and promotes a community
sharing -- rather than lecturing -- atmosphere. We believe that this
might be a good direction to build OSUG's in China, still experimenting...
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->
Smaller sizes further away from Sun offices do offer some flexibility, I
agree. Others have reported similar experiences. Also, your observations
on the "lecture" style is also interesting. There is a lot of that here
in Japan, but I think it's common in some other regions as well. To
break things up a bit, the team here is doing more nomikais
(drinking/eating parties) after the main sessions, so this way there is
no structure at all but you are still together talking about the
technology over beers. In general, I find that the most interesting
groups try to focus more on doing a greater number of shorter sessions
rather than a few long sessions. Again, this is just an effort to
increase participation and reduce formality.
</pre>
<pre wrap="">I am concerned by the fact that Shenzhen (SZOSUG) and Shanghai (SHOSUG)
are now less active than before.
</pre>
<pre wrap=""><!---->
I have to be in Hefei in mid November, which seems pretty close to
Shanghai. I may be able to stop by if need be. Think we can get a little
meeting together? Nothing formal, of course. :)
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Our team might try to rejuvenate these
two OSUG's, with the experienced we acquired from Chengdu, Hangzhou, and
Xi'An. This is exactly why we do not want to register the OSUG in
Nanjing at this point. We want to do some work of good quality before
attaching an OSUG label to it.
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->We appreciate that. :) And we appreciate that these new groups in China
are connecting to the main community like this. I think all sides will
learn a great deal from this experience.
Jim
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Re: [advocacy-discuss] Proposal for new OSUGs in Hangzhou/Xi'an at
China
Posted:
Nov 1, 2008 5:56 AM
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James Bai wrote:
> Thanks for John's great description of OSUG in China, and connecting
> to Jim.
hey, James. Welcome! :)
> My team plans (in FY09) to recruit 10 ambassadors in 10 software parks
> (of 10 cities), as Sun's delegate to help promote Sun's open source
> technologies in software parks where there are a lot of ISVs and
> developers. We are working with Fang Li/Fiona Duan to set up OSUG in
> those 10 cities. These citis are 长沙、武汉、大连、济南、西安、长春、
> 青岛、郑州、重庆、福州。
>
> I believe John and Jim could contribute a lot for this program for
> your plenty of experiencs.
Very cool. Happy to contribute. We would love another 10 OSUGs in China
for sure. :) I work with Fang Li and Shaoting, so I am coming up to
speed about China community issues as fast as I can. Ping me any time ...
Jim
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Re: [advocacy-discuss] Proposal for new OSUGs in Hangzhou/Xi'an at China
Posted:
Oct 31, 2008 12:28 AM
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>The great success in China comes from the fact that there are many
people from many teams working on this. Right now there are six OSUG's
in China. Fiona Duan (from OpenSolaris Engineering Team) handles the one
in Beijing (BJOSUG), Adam Zhang (from ISV/E team) handles the one in
Shanghai (SHOSUG) Rachel Zhang (from AGC team) handles the one in
Chengdu (CDOSUG), Victor Jie (from GSS) and Benny Luo (from ISV/E team)
handle the one in Shenzhen (SZOSUG), while Rita Zhang and Alex Peng
(both from SDN China team) handle the newly registered Hangzhou (HZOSUG)
and Xi'AN (XAOSUG). There is an emerging OSUG in Nanjing going on, also
led by Rita and Alex. This one might join the big family in the near
future. The Open Community team led by James Bai is also doing great
work in building OSUG's, they might come by and ask to setup new OSUG's
> in some other area in China very soon.
I guess OpenSolaris/Solaris operates quite differently from Linux. In the latter (e.g., SuSE or RedHat/Fedora Core), it is always local people who are not related with the corporate entity who operate user groups.
There are, of course, pros and cons with each model. However, if anyone asks my opinion, I would say that I much prefer the Linux model, but to be actively assisted by Sun employees.
OTOH, as far as software goes, Dalian is probably "the" most important city in China--if not now it will definitely be in the future. During my most recent trip to Taipei, I learned that the computer manufacturers in Taiwan have successfully lobbied daily direct flights from Taipei to Dalian. This should underscore the importance of Dalian in the eyes of the high tech people at least in Taiwan. And it is going to become very obvious in a year or two.
Thus, I am wondering whether we should try our best to establish an OSUG in Dalian. I will be more than happy to participate, and pledge our supports from Hawaii.
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Re: [advocacy-discuss] Proposal for new OSUGs in Hangzhou/Xi'an at
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Oct 31, 2008 1:27 AM
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On 10/31/08 16:28, W. Wayne Liauh wrote:
> I guess OpenSolaris/Solaris operates quite differently from Linux. In
> the latter (e.g., SuSE or RedHat/Fedora Core), it is always local
> people who are not related with the corporate entity who operate user
> groups.
Sun has a lot of development going on in China, so it makes sense that
those guys get directly involved in user groups -- either participating
or starting them and driving them. Pros/cons, I agree.
> There are, of course, pros and cons with each model. However, if anyone asks my opinion, I would say that I much prefer the Linux model, but to be actively assisted by Sun employees.
>
We, too, feel that the model of community run groups is better in the
long run. And this happens naturally, too. One example is Bangalore.
That OSUG started with Sun guys driving, and now it's much more of a
community group. It's difficult to tell where the lines of company and
community are. It's quite cool, actually. And there are probably other
examples of OSUGs started by Sun that grew into more community efforts.
I'm on all of the lists and I see a lot of non-Sun addresses. :)
> OTOH, as far as software goes, Dalian is probably "the" most important city in China--if not now it will definitely be in the future.
I've been hearing more and more about Dalian. Can't wait to get there.
I understand that there is a big English-speaking population there as
well as a lot of Japanese speakers. I'm especially interested in
exploring those Japan-China connections. Interesting about the
Taiwan-Dalian bit too.
> During my most recent trip to Taipei, I learned that the computer manufacturers in Taiwan have successfully lobbied daily direct flights from Taipei to Dalian. This should underscore the importance of Dalian in the eyes of the high tech people at least in Taiwan. And it is going to become very obvious in a year or two.
>
> Thus, I am wondering whether we should try our best to establish an OSUG in Dalian. I will be more than happy to participate, and pledge our supports from Hawaii.
>
I know the Sun team (can't remember specifically who) did some events in
Dalian a while back. I'll check. I'd love to get a group going there
since there are obvious connections to other Asian markets as well as to
the West. Thanks for your support from Hawaii, too, by the way. I think
we need an OSUG in Hawaii so we can hold an international Advocacy
conference there in the winter. :)
Jim
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Re: [advocacy-discuss] Proposal for new OSUGs in Hangzhou/Xi'an at
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Oct 31, 2008 5:06 AM
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I looked at my event calendar, and it was my team and James Bai's team
that went to Dalian several times a while ago.
2008.07.21 -- 2008.07.25, Dalian, Advanced Training for University Java
Teachers, 42 University Teachers (SDN China)
2008.08.05, Dalian, The 3rd China Open Source Competition -- Road Show
Event, 76 Attendees (Open Community)
2008.09.25, Dalian, HPC Conference -- IWPAPS'08 Workshop, 23 University
Teachers (SDN China)
You can see that Sun is very active in that region. That's why I said
that an OSUG in Dalian should come by very soon...
Yes we need an OSUG in Hawaii...
("`-''-/").___..--''"`-._ Qingye Jiang (John)
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(_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `. ``-..- Sun Developer Network, China
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Jim Grisanzio 写道:
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> I know the Sun team (can't remember specifically who) did some events in
> Dalian a while back. I'll check. I'd love to get a group going there
> since there are obvious connections to other Asian markets as well as to
> the West. Thanks for your support from Hawaii, too, by the way. I think
> we need an OSUG in Hawaii so we can hold an international Advocacy
> conference there in the winter. :)
>
>
> Jim
>
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"Dalian" Project
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Nov 1, 2008 2:15 PM
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> I looked at my event calendar, and it was my team and
> James Bai's team
> that went to Dalian several times a while ago.
>
> 2008.07.21 -- 2008.07.25, Dalian, Advanced Training
> for University Java
> Teachers, 42 University Teachers (SDN China)
> 2008.08.05, Dalian, The 3rd China Open Source
> Competition -- Road Show
> Event, 76 Attendees (Open Community)
> 2008.09.25, Dalian, HPC Conference -- IWPAPS'08
> Workshop, 23 University
> Teachers (SDN China)
>
> You can see that Sun is very active in that region.
> That's why I said
> that an OSUG in Dalian should come by very soon...
>
> Yes we need an OSUG in Hawaii...
>
> ("`-''-/").___..--''"`-._ Qingye
> Jiang (John)
> `6_ 6 ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`) Senior
> Manager
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> Developer Network, China
> _..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' ,' Phone:
> +86-10-62673347
> (il),-'' (li),' ((!.-'
> http://developers.sun.com.cn/
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> -
> About ME: visit http://www.qyjohn.net/,
> http://calendar.qyjohn.net/.
> ut US: visit
> http://wiki.developers.sun.com.cn/index.php/SDN_China
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>
> Jim Grisanzio 写道:
> >
> > I know the Sun team (can't remember specifically
> who) did some events in
> > Dalian a while back. I'll check. I'd love to get a
> group going there
> > since there are obvious connections to other Asian
> markets as well as to
> > the West. Thanks for your support from Hawaii, too,
> by the way. I think
> > we need an OSUG in Hawaii so we can hold an
> international Advocacy
> > conference there in the winter. :)
> >
> >
> > Jim
> >
Hi John and Jim,
Several months ago, a delegation from Dalian visited Honolulu. One of the visitors told me that he was in one of the Sun seminars held in the Dalian University of Technology (大连理工大学), and there were probably one thousand standing-room-only attendees. This event predated all the dates in John's list. He was very impressed by the size of the crowd--it seems that there are a lot of interests in Java and Sun, to which OpenSolaris can be rightfully (and proudly) related.
I am sure we are all aware that Citigroup and Fidelity Investments, the top one and two financial institutions in the US, have recently set up their BPO centers in Dalian. Many others are expected follow. As far as BPOs go, this "should" make Dalian right in the backyard of Sun's (and Solaris'). I have not heard anything about Sun officially doing anything in Dalian. But this seems to an area where a community can quickly move in, do the trailblazing, and help establishing a solid foundation. Of course, this is what John and James have been doing. And we are all very appreciative of their efforts.
Back to the Dalian delegation. I must admit that I have been brain-washed by our visitors. But I want to mention some of the things I was briefed. I was told that all of three top software exporters in China, Neusoft (东软), Dalian Hi-Think (华信), Hi-Soft (海辉), are headquartered in Dalian. IBM and HP have been very active in Dalian for quite some time. Intel recently began constructing a $6 billion USD 12" fab (& associated activities) in Dalian. Microsoft does not have a direct presence, but it recently bought a controlling interest in Dalian Hi-Think.
They also mentioned that the gross revenue from software related businesses was 58.3 billion RMB (or about $8.5B USD) in 2007, and has been growing at about 35% annually, and more than 10,000 software developers and IT professionals migrated to Dalian every year. There are 22 colleges and universities in Dalian, every one has a school of software and IT services. Their emphasis is to develop JACK (Japanese, American English, Chinese, Korean) related services. (Ironically, JACK happens to be the USERID and PASSWORD of our very own OpenSolaris LiveCD :-) )
But the key fact IMO is that the central government of China is pushing Dalian to become the BPO center for the Asia-Pacific region (& with two trillion USD in their cash reserve to back it up). This is an area where Solaris will really shine, and we should be in a very good position to make that happen. :-)
I know Sun's Beijing team only has very limited resources. But if there is anything we can do to help (in establishing a first class OpenSolaris community in Dalian), please let me know. For example, I personally am very interested in establishing a grass root effort on multi-lingual computing in the College of Software of the Dalian University of Foreign Languages:
http://edawai.dlufl.edu.cn/schools/soft.html
This school is probably too small for Sun's Beijing team to pay attention to, but this is where we can contribute.
Regarding starting an OSUG in Hawaii, I will be more than happy to get the ball rolling.
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W. Wayne Liauh wrote:
> There are 22 colleges and universities in Dalian, every one has a school of software and IT services. Their emphasis is to develop JACK (Japanese, American English, Chinese, Korean) related services.
>
This is cool. These are exactly the East Asia - West connections I`m
looking for. Thanks so much for this mail. I`ll be in China in a couple
of weeks, and hopefully I can plan a Dalian visit for early in the new
year. I`ll let you know for sure..
Jim
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r, and it was my team and
> James Bai's team
> that went to Dalian several times a while ago.
>
> 2008.07.21 -- 2008.07.25, Dalian, Advanced Training
> for University Java
> Teachers, 42 University Teachers (SDN China)
> 2008.08.05, Dalian, The 3rd China Open Source
> Competition -- Road Show
> Event, 76 Attendees (Open Community)
> 2008.09.25, Dalian, HPC Conference -- IWPAPS'08
> Workshop, 23 University
> Teachers (SDN China)
>
> You can see that Sun is very active in that region.
> That's why I said
> that an OSUG in Dalian should come by very soon...
>
> Yes we need an OSUG in Hawaii...
>
> ("`-''-/").___..--''"`-._ Qingye
> Jiang (John)
> `6_ 6 ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`) Senior
> Manager
> (_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `. ``-..- Sun
> Developer Network, China
> _..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' ,' Phone:
> +86-10-62673347
> (il),-'' (li),' ((!.-'
> http://developers.sun.com.cn/
> ------------------------------------------------------
> -
> About ME: visit http://www.qyjohn.net/,
> http://calendar.qyjohn.net/.
> ut US: visit
> http://wiki.developers.sun.com.cn/index.php/SDN_China
> .
>
>
>
> Jim Grisanzio 写道:
> >
> > I know the Sun team (can't remember specifically
> who) did some events in
> > Dalian a while back. I'll check. I'd love to get a
> group going there
> > since there are obvious connections to other Asian
> markets as well as to
> > the West. Thanks for your support from Hawaii, too,
> by the way. I think
> > we need an OSUG in Hawaii so we can hold an
> international Advocacy
> > conference there in the winter. :)
> >
> >
> > Jim
> >
Hi John and Jim,
Several months ago, a delegation from Dalian visited Honolulu. One of the visitors told me that he was in one of the Sun seminars held in the Dalian University of Technology (大连理工大学), and there were probably one thousand standing-room-only attendees. This event predated all the dates in John's list. He was very impressed by the size of the crowd--it seems that there are a lot of interests in Java and Sun, to which OpenSolaris can be rightfully (and proudly) related.
I am sure we are all aware that Citigroup and Fidelity Investments, the top one and two financial institutions in the US, have recently set up their BPO centers in Dalian. Many others are expected follow. As far as BPOs go, this "should" make Dalian right in the backyard of Sun's (and Solaris'). I have not heard anything about Sun officially doing anything in Dalian. But this seems to an area where a community can quickly move in, do the trailblazing, and help establishing a solid foundation. Of course, this is what John and James have been doing. And we are all very appreciative of their efforts.
Back to the Dalian delegation. I must admit that I have been brain-washed by our visitors. But I want to mention some of the things I was briefed. I was told that all of three top software exporters in China, Neusoft (东软), Dalian Hi-Think (华信), Hi-Soft (海辉), are headquartered in Dalian. IBM and HP have been very active in Dalian for quite some time. Intel recently began constructing a $6 billion USD 12" fab (& associated activities) in Dalian. Microsoft does not have a direct presence, but it recently bought a controlling interest in Dalian Hi-Think.
They also mentioned that the gross revenue from software related businesses was 58.3 billion RMB (or about $8.5B USD) in 2007, and has been growing at about 35% annually, and more than 10,000 software developers and IT professionals migrated to Dalian every year. There are 22 colleges and universities in Dalian, every one has a school of software and IT services. Their emphasis is to develop JACK (Japanese, American English, Chinese, Korean) related services. (Ironically, JACK happens to be the USERID and PASSWORD of our very own OpenSolaris LiveCD :-) )
But the key fact IMO is that the central government of China is pushing Dalian to become the BPO center for the Asia-Pacific region (& with two trillion USD in their cash reserve to back it up). This is an area where Solaris will really shine, and we should be in a very good position to make that happen. :-)
I know Sun's Beijing team only has very limited resources. But if there is anything we can do to help (in establishing a first class OpenSolaris community in Dalian), please let me know. For example, I personally am very interested in establishing a grass root effort on multi-lingual computing in the College of Software of the Dalian University of Foreign Languages:
http://edawai.dlufl.edu.cn/schools/soft.html
This school is probably too small for Sun's Beijing team to pay attention to, but this is one place where we can contribute.
Regarding starting an OSUG in Hawaii, I will be more than happy to get the ball rolling.
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Re: [advocacy-discuss] Proposal for new OSUGs in Hangzhou/Xi'an at China
Posted:
Nov 13, 2008 12:54 PM
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> I know the Sun team (can't remember specifically who)
> did some events in
> Dalian a while back. I'll check. I'd love to get a
> group going there
> since there are obvious connections to other Asian
> markets as well as to
> the West. Thanks for your support from Hawaii, too,
> by the way. I think
> we need an OSUG in Hawaii so we can hold an
> international Advocacy
> conference there in the winter. :)
>
>
> Jim
>
> --
> Jim Grisanzio
> Sr. Program Manager, OpenSolaris Engineering
> http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris/
I have started doing some talks about setting up an OSUG here in Hawaii. Most likely it will be located at University of Hawaii, inside the same lab where Fedora Linux was born about six years ago. (the Fedora project was initially started by one of our local boys Warren Togami when he was a sophomore CompSci student.)
At this time, I don't know whether OSUG is the right structure for our planed activities, but at least we will be able to give OpenSolaris a home in the middle of the pacific ocean.
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Re: [advocacy-discuss] Proposal for new OSUGs in Hangzhou/Xi'an at
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W. Wayne Liauh wrote:
> I have started doing some talks about setting up an OSUG here in Hawaii. Most likely it will be located at University of Hawaii, inside the same lab where Fedora Linux was born about six years ago. (the Fedora project was initially started by Warren Togami when he was a sophomore CompSci student.)
>
> At this time, I don't know whether OSUG is the right structure for our planed activities, but at least we will be able to give OpenSolaris a home in the middle of the pacific ocean.
>
Cool. +1 if you do it. I view the OSUGs as mini-communities, so whether
it's the right structure or not, it's a start. Let us know if you want
to move ahead.
Jim
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Re: [advocacy-discuss] Proposal for new OSUGs in Hangzhou/Xi'an at China
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> W. Wayne Liauh wrote:
> > I have started doing some talks about setting up an
> OSUG here in Hawaii. Most likely it will be located
> at University of Hawaii, inside the same lab where
> Fedora Linux was born about six years ago. (the
> Fedora project was initially started by Warren Togami
> when he was a sophomore CompSci student.)
> >
> > At this time, I don't know whether OSUG is the
> right structure for our planed activities, but at
> least we will be able to give OpenSolaris a home in
> the middle of the pacific ocean.
> >
>
> Cool. +1 if you do it. I view the OSUGs as
> mini-communities, so whether
> it's the right structure or not, it's a start. Let us
> know if you want
> to move ahead.
>
> Jim
>
Hi Jim,
Thanks for the pre-approval, and apologize for taking so long to respond. After some thoughts, I think instead of waiting for the perfect moment, it will be much better to get the Hawaii OSUG formally formed and see how things take care of themselves.
Thus, I am proposing the formation of an OpenSolaris User Group in Hawaii. Its name will be "Hawaii OpenSolaris UserGroup" (HOSUG). The OpenSolaris User IDs of the three initial participants are: waynel (W. Wayne Liauh), joelaris (Joe Linux), and pwzhangz (Ping-Wu Zhang), and its contact info is: W. Wayne Liauh, Hawaii Linux Institute, 4224 Waialae Ave., Suite 5388, Honolulu, HI 96816 .
Initially and as the first step, we will define a hardware (desktop/laptop) system so that users can comfortably pursue a long-term relationship with OpenSolaris. At the present time, our activities will be limited to Oahu, and we hope to alternate meetings between the Leeward and the Windward sides. In the longer run, because of the cultural diversities of Hawaii, we would like to also populate OpenSolaris into the Japanese, Chinese, Korean, German, etc., communities in Hawaii.
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Re: [advocacy-discuss] Proposal for new OSUGs in Hangzhou/Xi'an at
China
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Wayne,
It looks like hosug ( http://opensolaris.org/os/project/hosug/ ) is
already taken. For a complete list of OpenSolaris Users Groups go to http://opensolaris.org/os/community/advocacy/usergroups/ug-leaders/
Regards,
BB
On Dec 4, 2008, at 10:27 PM, W. Wayne Liauh wrote:
>> W. Wayne Liauh wrote:
>>> I have started doing some talks about setting up an
>> OSUG here in Hawaii. Most likely it will be located
>> at University of Hawaii, inside the same lab where
>> Fedora Linux was born about six years ago. (the
>> Fedora project was initially started by Warren Togami
>> when he was a sophomore CompSci student.)
>>>
>>> At this time, I don't know whether OSUG is the
>> right structure for our planed activities, but at
>> least we will be able to give OpenSolaris a home in
>> the middle of the pacific ocean.
>>>
>>
>> Cool. +1 if you do it. I view the OSUGs as
>> mini-communities, so whether
>> it's the right structure or not, it's a start. Let us
>> know if you want
>> to move ahead.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> Thanks for the pre-approval, and apologize for taking so long to
> respond. After some thoughts, I think instead of waiting for the
> perfect moment, it will be much better to get the Hawaii OSUG
> formally formed and see how things take care of themselves.
>
> Thus, I am proposing the formation of an OpenSolaris User Group in
> Hawaii. Its name will be "Hawaii OpenSolaris UserGroup" (HOSUG).
> The OpenSolaris User IDs of the three initial participants are:
> waynel (W. Wayne Liauh), joelaris (Joe Linux), and pwzhangz (Ping-Wu
> Zhang), and its contact info is: W. Wayne Liauh, Hawaii Linux
> Institute, 4224 Waialae Ave., Suite 5388, Honolulu, HI 96816 .
>
> Initially and as the first step, we will define a hardware (desktop/
> laptop) system so that users can comfortably pursue a long-term
> relationship with OpenSolaris. At the present time, our activities
> will be limited to Oahu, and we hope to alternate meetings between
> the Leeward and the Windward sides. In the longer run, because of
> the cultural diversities of Hawaii, we would like to also populate
> OpenSolaris into the Japanese, Chinese, Korean, German, etc.,
> communities in Hawaii.
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Re: [advocacy-discuss] Proposal for new OSUGs in Hangzhou/Xi'an at
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Jim Grisanzio wrote:
> On 12/05/08 14:24, Bryan Boden wrote:
>> Wayne,
>>
>> It looks like hosug ( http://opensolaris.org/os/project/hosug/ ) is
>> already taken. For a complete list of OpenSolaris Users Groups go to
>> http://opensolaris.org/os/community/advocacy/usergroups/ug-leaders/
>>
>
> yah, we are getting a lot of groups now, so it's probably time to get
> creative with the urls. :) I had the same issue with Tokyo, actually.
> We are the Tokyo OSUG, but our url is tsug.
>
> Just give me another url, Wayne, and I'll set this up.
>
> Jim
>
OK, we'll use HI-OSUG. Don't see this one has been taken. Thanks again.
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Re: [advocacy-discuss] Proposal for new OSUGs in Hangzhou/Xi'an at
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+1
On Dec 4, 2008, at 8:27 PM, "W. Wayne Liauh" <wp at HawaiiLinux dot us> wrote:
>> W. Wayne Liauh wrote:
>>> I have started doing some talks about setting up an
>> OSUG here in Hawaii. Most likely it will be located
>> at University of Hawaii, inside the same lab where
>> Fedora Linux was born about six years ago. (the
>> Fedora project was initially started by Warren Togami
>> when he was a sophomore CompSci student.)
>>>
>>> At this time, I don't know whether OSUG is the
>> right structure for our planed activities, but at
>> least we will be able to give OpenSolaris a home in
>> the middle of the pacific ocean.
>>>
>>
>> Cool. +1 if you do it. I view the OSUGs as
>> mini-communities, so whether
>> it's the right structure or not, it's a start. Let us
>> know if you want
>> to move ahead.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> Thanks for the pre-approval, and apologize for taking so long to
> respond. After some thoughts, I think instead of waiting for the
> perfect moment, it will be much better to get the Hawaii OSUG
> formally formed and see how things take care of themselves.
>
> Thus, I am proposing the formation of an OpenSolaris User Group in
> Hawaii. Its name will be "Hawaii OpenSolaris UserGroup" (HOSUG).
> The OpenSolaris User IDs of the three initial participants are:
> waynel (W. Wayne Liauh), joelaris (Joe Linux), and pwzhangz (Ping-Wu
> Zhang), and its contact info is: W. Wayne Liauh, Hawaii Linux
> Institute, 4224 Waialae Ave., Suite 5388, Honolulu, HI 96816 .
>
> Initially and as the first step, we will define a hardware (desktop/
> laptop) system so that users can comfortably pursue a long-term
> relationship with OpenSolaris. At the present time, our activities
> will be limited to Oahu, and we hope to alternate meetings between
> the Leeward and the Windward sides. In the longer run, because of
> the cultural diversities of Hawaii, we would like to also populate
> OpenSolaris into the Japanese, Chinese, Korean, German, etc.,
> communities in Hawaii.
> --
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Re: [advocacy-discuss] Proposal for new OSUGs in Hangzhou/Xi'an at
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Hi Wayne,
I will have to agree with you. Yes we have started the effort to build
OSUG's in Dalian. It is coming very close now...
I guess the difference in Linux vs OpenSolaris communities has its root
in history. Linux is perceived as a grass-root movement, where the open
source communities existed before Linux companies. OpenSolaris, on the
contrary, became open sourced from a close-source commercial software.
We have seen people who feel natural to join a Linux community from the
Windows camp, but doubtful when talking about OpenSolaris. Honestly
speaking, a lot of people are still thinking that Sun is trying to fool
people by attaching an open source flag to a proprietary OS. OpenSolaris
has come into existence for more than 3 years, we have witness
increasing interests from developers from different areas, but we have
not yet see large number of (none-Sun, or not affiliated with Sun)
enthusiasts who are willing organize a local OSUG.
Sun is a member of the OpenSolaris community. In fact, it hosts the
largest number of OpenSolaris developers and users across the world. In
this situation, I think Sun should actively go out, and organizes OSUG's
to spread Sun's thinking about OpenSolaris. In the ideal case, the
OSUG's should gradually evolved from led by Sun, to assisted by Sun, and
then self-sustain. I myself believe the Linux model should be our final
goal, but it will take some time to get there.
This is why I like the way Chengdu, Hangzhou, and Xi'An organize their
OSUG's. I do have members from my team attending these activities. But,
most of the time they participate in discussions, and encourage none-Sun
folks to do the heavy-weight talking. Although my team also actively
sponsors the activities of BJOSUG, we might not take it as a model that
can be promoted across the nation. BJSOUG has come into existence for 2
years. Right now it still depends heavily on Sun speakers. It is good
that OpenSolaris knowledge is effectively spread through this model, but
we might not be able to build a strong none-Sun OpenSolaris community
through this. And, areas far from Beijing do not have regular Sun
speaker resources anyway so they actually can't learn from what we are
doing in Beijing.
Best regards,
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(_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `. ``-..- Sun Developer Network, China
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W. Wayne Liauh 写道:
> I guess OpenSolaris/Solaris operates quite differently from Linux. In the latter (e.g., SuSE or RedHat/Fedora Core), it is always local people who are not related with the corporate entity who operate user groups.
>
> There are, of course, pros and cons with each model. However, if anyone asks my opinion, I would say that I much prefer the Linux model, but to be actively assisted by Sun employees.
>
> OTOH, as far as software goes, Dalian is probably "the" most important city in China--if not now it will definitely be in the future. During my most recent trip to Taipei, I learned that the computer manufacturers in Taiwan have successfully lobbied daily direct flights from Taipei to Dalian. This should underscore the importance of Dalian in the eyes of the high tech people at least in Taiwan. And it is going to become very obvious in a year or two.
>
> Thus, I am wondering whether we should try our best to establish an OSUG in Dalian. I will be more than happy to participate, and pledge our supports from Hawaii.
>
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Re: [advocacy-discuss] Proposal for new OSUGs in Hangzhou/Xi'an at
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On 2008年10月31日 19:55, Qingye Jiang (John) wrote:
> Hi Wayne,
>
> I will have to agree with you. Yes we have started the effort to build
> OSUG's in Dalian. It is coming very close now...
>
> I guess the difference in Linux vs OpenSolaris communities has its root
> in history. Linux is perceived as a grass-root movement, where the open
> source communities existed before Linux companies. OpenSolaris, on the
> contrary, became open sourced from a close-source commercial software.
> We have seen people who feel natural to join a Linux community from the
> Windows camp, but doubtful when talking about OpenSolaris.
A counter example: MySQL vs. PostgreSQL.
I have been thinking for years why some opensource projects got popular
while others not. I haven't got a concrete answer yet, but I believe
there are many factors.
thanks/Xinfeng
Honestly
> speaking, a lot of people are still thinking that Sun is trying to fool
> people by attaching an open source flag to a proprietary OS. OpenSolaris
> has come into existence for more than 3 years, we have witness
> increasing interests from developers from different areas, but we have
> not yet see large number of (none-Sun, or not affiliated with Sun)
> enthusiasts who are willing organize a local OSUG.
>
> Sun is a member of the OpenSolaris community. In fact, it hosts the
> largest number of OpenSolaris developers and users across the world. In
> this situation, I think Sun should actively go out, and organizes OSUG's
> to spread Sun's thinking about OpenSolaris. In the ideal case, the
> OSUG's should gradually evolved from led by Sun, to assisted by Sun, and
> then self-sustain. I myself believe the Linux model should be our final
> goal, but it will take some time to get there.
>
> This is why I like the way Chengdu, Hangzhou, and Xi'An organize their
> OSUG's. I do have members from my team attending these activities. But,
> most of the time they participate in discussions, and encourage none-Sun
> folks to do the heavy-weight talking. Although my team also actively
> sponsors the activities of BJOSUG, we might not take it as a model that
> can be promoted across the nation. BJSOUG has come into existence for 2
> years. Right now it still depends heavily on Sun speakers. It is good
> that OpenSolaris knowledge is effectively spread through this model, but
> we might not be able to build a strong none-Sun OpenSolaris community
> through this. And, areas far from Beijing do not have regular Sun
> speaker resources anyway so they actually can't learn from what we are
> doing in Beijing.
>
> Best regards,
>
> ("`-''-/").___..--''"`-._ Qingye Jiang (John)
> `6_ 6 ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`) Senior Manager
> (_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `. ``-..- Sun Developer Network, China
> _..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' ,' Phone: +86-10-62673347
> (il),-'' (li),' ((!.-' http://developers.sun.com.cn/
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> About ME: visit http://www.qyjohn.net/, http://calendar.qyjohn.net/.
> About US: visit http://wiki.developers.sun.com.cn/index.php/SDN_China .
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>
>
> W. Wayne Liauh 写道:
>> I guess OpenSolaris/Solaris operates quite differently from Linux. In the latter (e.g., SuSE or RedHat/Fedora Core), it is always local people who are not related with the corporate entity who operate user groups.
>>
>> There are, of course, pros and cons with each model. However, if anyone asks my opinion, I would say that I much prefer the Linux model, but to be actively assisted by Sun employees.
>>
>> OTOH, as far as software goes, Dalian is probably "the" most important city in China--if not now it will definitely be in the future. During my most recent trip to Taipei, I learned that the computer manufacturers in Taiwan have successfully lobbied daily direct flights from Taipei to Dalian. This should underscore the importance of Dalian in the eyes of the high tech people at least in Taiwan. And it is going to become very obvious in a year or two.
>>
>> Thus, I am wondering whether we should try our best to establish an OSUG in Dalian. I will be more than happy to participate, and pledge our supports from Hawaii.
>>
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Re: [advocacy-discuss] Proposal for new OSUGs in Hangzhou/Xi'an at China
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in response to: lxf
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> On 2008年10月31日 19:55, Qingye Jiang (John) wrote:
> > Hi Wayne,
> >
> > I will have to agree with you. Yes we have started
> the effort to build
> > OSUG's in Dalian. It is coming very close now...
> >
> > I guess the difference in Linux vs OpenSolaris
> communities has its root
> > in history. Linux is perceived as a grass-root
> movement, where the open
> > source communities existed before Linux companies.
> OpenSolaris, on the
> > contrary, became open sourced from a close-source
> commercial software.
> > We have seen people who feel natural to join a
> Linux community from the
> > Windows camp, but doubtful when talking about
> OpenSolaris.
>
>
> A counter example: MySQL vs. PostgreSQL.
>
> I have been thinking for years why some opensource
> projects got popular
> while others not. I haven't got a concrete answer
> yet, but I believe
> there are many factors.
>
> thanks/Xinfeng
>
I think the name itself can be quite deceiving. Of course, Linux seems to be much more popular than OpenSolaris, but the name Linux has become very generic.
For example, in Hawaii, the main Linux user group (or LUG) is called LUAU. It used to be called LUAW but changed to LUAU b/c the latter has a special meaning in the native Hawaiian language. The acronym LUAW stands for Linux, UNIX (mainly Solaris, as this is the prevalent OS used in the military), And Windows, and is not intended to include just Linux.
If you attend other LUGs, you will also see that at least FreeBSD is commonly discussed there. Indeed, LUGs are expected to be the place where OpenSolaris will be first introduced to the general public. We may see certain Linux stake-holders (i.e., those who have a financial interest in Linux) bad-mouthing OpenSolaris, but the general public don't care. They only care which product does the best job (& which product offers the most green, i.e., business opportunities).
Until now, there is no use to hide the fact that the acceptance of OpenSolaris in the Chinese speaking world has been quite disappointing, to say the least. However, I am seeing that things will greatly improve with the release of the os2008.11 LiveCD and its associated IPS packages.
For one thing, I know most Taiwanese developers will not (or I should say, cannot) use an operating system if it does not have the so-called "boshiamy" input method engine (IME). Now that SCIM has been ported to OpenSolaris, we can easily add the boshiamy IME into OpenSolaris. See:
http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=80964&tstart=0
The may seem to be a very trivial item, but it is one of the necessary conditions to entice a Taiwanese developer to the OpenSolaris camp.
Another obstacle that separates OpenSolaris and the Chinese speaking world is the font display problem in the Solaris version of OpenOffice. This problem has not been widely recognized because (thankfully!) OpenSolaris has not been popular in China. Some members of Sun's Beijing team are expected to talk to OpenOffice developers from Hamburg as well as the Linux developer from Taiwan who did the patch for the Linux version of OpenOffice, at the OOoCon that is being held in Beijing:
http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=4076
I actually feel very excited that we finally will get what I believe are the most serious problems out of the way, and am ready to move forward in big strides. :-)
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Re: [advocacy-discuss] Proposal for new OSUGs in Hangzhou/Xi'an at
China
Posted:
Oct 30, 2008 8:29 AM
in response to: duan_st
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+1
I myself have attended events at both the OSUG at Hangzhou and Xi'An. It
was really a wonderful experience.
They arranged their meetings at Cafes, and everyone shared the expense
-- basically coffee and tea. The meeting was like a party, with two
30-minute talks, and a lot of casual discussions. It should be mentioned
that none of the speakers are from Sun, which made me very happy.
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Fiona Duan 写道:
> Hi ,
>
> We'd like to propose the formation of two new OSUGs in Hangzhou/Xi'an at China.
>
> These two groups have been in existence at China for a while. As the
> core member of the two user groups, I participated in all of them in
> many different ways. As the a open source group, especially interesting
> in OpenSolaris area, it is particularly important to participate on
> OpenSolaris community so that we have a convenient way to communicate
> across all the OSUGs and projects around the world, meanwhile keep us
> posted on the latest progress of new technology.
>
> Description of the two groups:
> How can we attract and keep more open source fans stay at OpenSolaris
> and help them to learn and use the OpenSolaris at their daily life?
> These information are spread over the internet, sometimes in a very
> technical language, so we would like to make a centralized point (prefer
> to use Chinese) using easier expressions. They can share their ideas and
> communicate better here. The projects will archive their contributions,
> presentations, and other material to the project space on the
> OpenSolaris site.
>
> Please check out the current situation of the two existed groups for
> more details.
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Group Name: HZOSUG
> Location: Hangzhou,Zhejiang Province, China
>
> List of Four OpenSolaris.org Member IDs:
> -xgai,
> -baikthh,
> -ding,
> -duan_st
>
> Participants:
> Until now, HZOSUG has 25 registered active members into this group.
>
> Activities:
> On Aguest 30, we have accomplished the first group meeting at hangzhou,
> more than 30 developers attended this meeting.The topic of this event
> focused on Web&Enterprise application and deployment based on
> OpenSolaris platform, lots of popular open source technologies including
> MySQL, OpenOffice and OpenSolaris etc. were discussed here.
>
> Most recent event: 2008.11.01
> 13:30 ~ 14:00：Registration
> 14:00 ~ 14:45：Virtual Network in OpenSolaris
> 14:45 ~ 15:00：Q&A
> 15:00 ~ 15:45：Grails on Groove
> 15:45 ~ 16:00：Q&A
> 16:00 ~ 17:00：Free Talking on OpenSolaris/OpenSource
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Group Name: XAOSUG
> Location: Xi'an,Shanxi Province, China
>
> List of Four OpenSolaris.org Member IDs:
> -jaylee,
> -lgh_xd,
> -sdsxlj,
> -duan_st
>
> Participants:
> Until now, XAOSUG has 15 registered active members into this group.
>
> Activities:
> On Aguest 31, we have accomplished the first group meeting at xi'an,
> more than 15 developers attended this meeting.The agend is listed at
> the following:
>
> Most recent event: 2008.08.31
> 13:30 ~ 14:00：Registration
> 14:00 ~ 14:45：Oracle Applications on OpenSolaris
> 14:45 ~ 15:00：Q&A
> 15:00 ~ 15:45：Grails Applications
> 15:45 ~ 16:00：Q&A
> 16:00 ~ 17:00：Free Talking on OpenSolaris/OpenSource
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Thank You
>
> _______________________________________________
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> advocacy-discuss at opensolaris dot org
> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/advocacy-discuss
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Re: [advocacy-discuss] Proposal for new OSUGs in Hangzhou/Xi'an at
China
Posted:
Oct 30, 2008 8:50 AM
in response to: duan_st
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+1.
Looks cool. I'll contact you off line to get these set up. This will
make five OSUGs in China now? Six? :)
Jim
Fiona Duan wrote:
> Hi ,
>
> We'd like to propose the formation of two new OSUGs in Hangzhou/Xi'an at China.
>
> These two groups have been in existence at China for a while. As the
> core member of the two user groups, I participated in all of them in
> many different ways. As the a open source group, especially interesting
> in OpenSolaris area, it is particularly important to participate on
> OpenSolaris community so that we have a convenient way to communicate
> across all the OSUGs and projects around the world, meanwhile keep us
> posted on the latest progress of new technology.
>
> Description of the two groups:
> How can we attract and keep more open source fans stay at OpenSolaris
> and help them to learn and use the OpenSolaris at their daily life?
> These information are spread over the internet, sometimes in a very
> technical language, so we would like to make a centralized point (prefer
> to use Chinese) using easier expressions. They can share their ideas and
> communicate better here. The projects will archive their contributions,
> presentations, and other material to the project space on the
> OpenSolaris site.
>
> Please check out the current situation of the two existed groups for
> more details.
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Group Name: HZOSUG
> Location: Hangzhou,Zhejiang Province, China
>
> List of Four OpenSolaris.org Member IDs:
> -xgai,
> -baikthh,
> -ding,
> -duan_st
>
> Participants:
> Until now, HZOSUG has 25 registered active members into this group.
>
> Activities:
> On Aguest 30, we have accomplished the first group meeting at hangzhou,
> more than 30 developers attended this meeting.The topic of this event
> focused on Web&Enterprise application and deployment based on
> OpenSolaris platform, lots of popular open source technologies including
> MySQL, OpenOffice and OpenSolaris etc. were discussed here.
>
> Most recent event: 2008.11.01
> 13:30 ~ 14:00：Registration
> 14:00 ~ 14:45：Virtual Network in OpenSolaris
> 14:45 ~ 15:00：Q&A
> 15:00 ~ 15:45：Grails on Groove
> 15:45 ~ 16:00：Q&A
> 16:00 ~ 17:00：Free Talking on OpenSolaris/OpenSource
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Group Name: XAOSUG
> Location: Xi'an,Shanxi Province, China
>
> List of Four OpenSolaris.org Member IDs:
> -jaylee,
> -lgh_xd,
> -sdsxlj,
> -duan_st
>
> Participants:
> Until now, XAOSUG has 15 registered active members into this group.
>
> Activities:
> On Aguest 31, we have accomplished the first group meeting at xi'an,
> more than 15 developers attended this meeting.The agend is listed at
> the following:
>
> Most recent event: 2008.08.31
> 13:30 ~ 14:00：Registration
> 14:00 ~ 14:45：Oracle Applications on OpenSolaris
> 14:45 ~ 15:00：Q&A
> 15:00 ~ 15:45：Grails Applications
> 15:45 ~ 16:00：Q&A
> 16:00 ~ 17:00：Free Talking on OpenSolaris/OpenSource
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Thank You
>
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> advocacy-discuss at opensolaris dot org
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Re: [advocacy-discuss] Proposal for new OSUGs in Hangzhou/Xi'an at
China
Posted:
Oct 30, 2008 9:44 AM
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+1
Alex Peng and I have attended HZOSUG activities. and I proposed that
they vote their core team to organize the group. now the group has their
core team and they have their googlegroup account to discuss
OpenSolaris. Alex Peng and I are in the discussion alias.
last activity, as there aren't enough seats for the attendees. a lot
people stand for 4 hours for the opensolaris discussion.
here is the photos
http://www.unix-center.net/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=5567&extra=page%3D1
and our team has send some OpenSolaris DVDs for the HZOSUG and Xi'anOSUG
regards
Rita
Jim Grisanzio 写道:
> +1.
>
> Looks cool. I'll contact you off line to get these set up. This will
> make five OSUGs in China now? Six? :)
>
> Jim
>
>
> Fiona Duan wrote:
>
>> Hi ,
>>
>> We'd like to propose the formation of two new OSUGs in Hangzhou/Xi'an at China.
>>
>> These two groups have been in existence at China for a while. As the
>> core member of the two user groups, I participated in all of them in
>> many different ways. As the a open source group, especially interesting
>> in OpenSolaris area, it is particularly important to participate on
>> OpenSolaris community so that we have a convenient way to communicate
>> across all the OSUGs and projects around the world, meanwhile keep us
>> posted on the latest progress of new technology.
>>
>> Description of the two groups:
>> How can we attract and keep more open source fans stay at OpenSolaris
>> and help them to learn and use the OpenSolaris at their daily life?
>> These information are spread over the internet, sometimes in a very
>> technical language, so we would like to make a centralized point (prefer
>> to use Chinese) using easier expressions. They can share their ideas and
>> communicate better here. The projects will archive their contributions,
>> presentations, and other material to the project space on the
>> OpenSolaris site.
>>
>> Please check out the current situation of the two existed groups for
>> more details.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>> Group Name: HZOSUG
>> Location: Hangzhou,Zhejiang Province, China
>>
>> List of Four OpenSolaris.org Member IDs:
>> -xgai,
>> -baikthh,
>> -ding,
>> -duan_st
>>
>> Participants:
>> Until now, HZOSUG has 25 registered active members into this group.
>>
>> Activities:
>> On Aguest 30, we have accomplished the first group meeting at hangzhou,
>> more than 30 developers attended this meeting.The topic of this event
>> focused on Web&Enterprise application and deployment based on
>> OpenSolaris platform, lots of popular open source technologies including
>> MySQL, OpenOffice and OpenSolaris etc. were discussed here.
>>
>> Most recent event: 2008.11.01
>> 13:30 ~ 14:00：Registration
>> 14:00 ~ 14:45：Virtual Network in OpenSolaris
>> 14:45 ~ 15:00：Q&A
>> 15:00 ~ 15:45：Grails on Groove
>> 15:45 ~ 16:00：Q&A
>> 16:00 ~ 17:00：Free Talking on OpenSolaris/OpenSource
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>> Group Name: XAOSUG
>> Location: Xi'an,Shanxi Province, China
>>
>> List of Four OpenSolaris.org Member IDs:
>> -jaylee,
>> -lgh_xd,
>> -sdsxlj,
>> -duan_st
>>
>> Participants:
>> Until now, XAOSUG has 15 registered active members into this group.
>>
>> Activities:
>> On Aguest 31, we have accomplished the first group meeting at xi'an,
>> more than 15 developers attended this meeting.The agend is listed at
>> the following:
>>
>> Most recent event: 2008.08.31
>> 13:30 ~ 14:00：Registration
>> 14:00 ~ 14:45：Oracle Applications on OpenSolaris
>> 14:45 ~ 15:00：Q&A
>> 15:00 ~ 15:45：Grails Applications
>> 15:45 ~ 16:00：Q&A
>> 16:00 ~ 17:00：Free Talking on OpenSolaris/OpenSource
>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Thank You
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> advocacy-discuss mailing list
>> advocacy-discuss at opensolaris dot org
>> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/advocacy-discuss
>>
>>
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Re: [advocacy-discuss] Proposal for new OSUGs in Hangzhou/Xi'an in
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Jim Grisanzio 写道:
<pre wrap="">+1.
Looks cool. I'll contact you off line to get these set up. This will
make five OSUGs in China now? Six? :)
</pre>
Thank you so much for your help and effort on setting up.
There will be <big> six </big>OSUGs in China if
these two new ones are included. :-)
best regards,
Fiona
<pre wrap="">
Jim
Fiona Duan wrote:
</pre>
<pre wrap="">Hi ,
We'd like to propose the formation of two new OSUGs in Hangzhou/Xi'an at China.
These two groups have been in existence at China for a while. As the
core member of the two user groups, I participated in all of them in
many different ways. As the a open source group, especially interesting
in OpenSolaris area, it is particularly important to participate on
OpenSolaris community so that we have a convenient way to communicate
across all the OSUGs and projects around the world, meanwhile keep us
posted on the latest progress of new technology.
Description of the two groups:
How can we attract and keep more open source fans stay at OpenSolaris
and help them to learn and use the OpenSolaris at their daily life?
These information are spread over the internet, sometimes in a very
technical language, so we would like to make a centralized point (prefer
to use Chinese) using easier expressions. They can share their ideas and
communicate better here. The projects will archive their contributions,
presentations, and other material to the project space on the
OpenSolaris site.
Please check out the current situation of the two existed groups for
more details.
------------------------------------------------------------
Group Name: HZOSUG
Location: Hangzhou,Zhejiang Province, China
List of Four OpenSolaris.org Member IDs:
-xgai,
-baikthh,
-ding,
-duan_st
Participants:
Until now, HZOSUG has 25 registered active members into this group.
Activities:
On Aguest 30, we have accomplished the first group meeting at hangzhou,
more than 30 developers attended this meeting.The topic of this event
focused on Web&Enterprise application and deployment based on
OpenSolaris platform, lots of popular open source technologies including
MySQL, OpenOffice and OpenSolaris etc. were discussed here.
Most recent event: 2008.11.01
13:30 ~ 14:00：Registration
14:00 ~ 14:45：Virtual Network in OpenSolaris
14:45 ~ 15:00：Q&A
15:00 ~ 15:45：Grails on Groove
15:45 ~ 16:00：Q&A
16:00 ~ 17:00：Free Talking on OpenSolaris/OpenSource
------------------------------------------------------------
Group Name: XAOSUG
Location: Xi'an,Shanxi Province, China
List of Four OpenSolaris.org Member IDs:
-jaylee,
-lgh_xd,
-sdsxlj,
-duan_st
Participants:
Until now, XAOSUG has 15 registered active members into this group.
Activities:
On Aguest 31, we have accomplished the first group meeting at xi'an,
more than 15 developers attended this meeting.The agend is listed at
the following:
Most recent event: 2008.08.31
13:30 ~ 14:00：Registration
14:00 ~ 14:45：Oracle Applications on OpenSolaris
14:45 ~ 15:00：Q&A
15:00 ~ 15:45：Grails Applications
15:45 ~ 16:00：Q&A
16:00 ~ 17:00：Free Talking on OpenSolaris/OpenSource
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Thank You
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University Program Manager,
Sun China Engineering & Research Institute,
Tel: (+86) 10-62673300 (x84300)
Mobile: (+86) 138-1007-7117
http://www.opentech.org.cn
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