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[advocacy-discuss] Kiva.org
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Feb 4, 2009 1:27 AM
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Hi all,
some of you might have heard about Kiva.org a hugely popular
non-profit site that enables users to hand out micro-credits to small
businesses in the developing world.
Kiva.org has a feature that allows its users to form Lending Teams
around common interests such as businesses, clubs, common interests,
colleges etc. (Click on the Community link at the top of the page).
Lending teams already exist for business such as:
Microsoft, Sun Microsystems
(http://www.kiva.org/community/viewTeam?team_id=3097), Intel,
Accenture and many others.
There is also a GNU/Linux and Free Software team
(http://www.kiva.org/community/viewTeam?team_id=1115).
I thought it would be nice to start an OpenSolaris team but I do not
know if this would require some sort of permission or if there is
someone who takes care of these sorts of things in the OpenSolaris
community.
Infomation that is required is team name: OpenSolaris, OpenSolaris.com
or OpenSolaris.org? I would favor OpenSolaris.
What logo could I use? I really like the OpenSolaris.com style artwork.
Lending Team website? opensolaris.com or opensolaris.org? I would
favor OpenSolaris.com.
While there is no huge benefit to the OpenSolaris project, it still
gets the word out, while at the same time helping others.
- Alex
Disclaimer: Kiva.org is not for profit. I am in no way affiliated with
Kiva.org besides being a user of the site. Creating a lending team
does not require any monetary contribution to Kiva.org. I just believe
this would be a nice idea.
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Re: [advocacy-discuss] Kiva.org
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Feb 4, 2009 6:14 PM
in response to: algnod
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Alexander Gnodtke wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> some of you might have heard about Kiva.org a hugely popular
> non-profit site that enables users to hand out micro-credits to small
> businesses in the developing world.
>
I met the founder of this site at a conference here in Japan. Very cool
guy. And an absolutely outstanding concept (especially nowadays, too!).
> Kiva.org has a feature that allows its users to form Lending Teams
> around common interests such as businesses, clubs, common interests,
> colleges etc. (Click on the Community link at the top of the page).
>
> Lending teams already exist for business such as:
> Microsoft, Sun Microsystems
> (http://www.kiva.org/community/viewTeam?team_id=3097), Intel,
> Accenture and many others.
>
> There is also a GNU/Linux and Free Software team
> (http://www.kiva.org/community/viewTeam?team_id=1115).
>
> I thought it would be nice to start an OpenSolaris team but I do not
> know if this would require some sort of permission or if there is
> someone who takes care of these sorts of things in the OpenSolaris
> community.
>
You could treat this as an OpenSolaris User Group pretty easily. You
could create a name such as Lending OpenSolaris User Group, Caring
OpenSolaris User Group, OpenSolaris Community Lending Group or something
like that. That would be a legal fair use. And as your UG lends, they`d
be lending on behalf of themselves as members of the OpenSolaris
Community. It`s also an easy way to publicize your group within the
OpenSolaris community because we could give you some space on
opensolaris.org and a mailing list and send you some stuff to give out
(which we do for all OSUGs when we have the resources).
And, actually, the more I think of it ... Treating this as an OSUG could
be cool because it would not be a geography-specific group like the rest
of the OSUGs. It would be a global project treated as a UG on our site.
That would be the clear link to opensolaris.org, and then you`d have
your own space on kiva.org as well.
More on trademark issues here:
http://opensolaris.org/os/about/faq/trademark_faq/
http://opensolaris.org/os/trademark/
> Infomation that is required is team name: OpenSolaris, OpenSolaris.com
> or OpenSolaris.org? I would favor OpenSolaris.
> What logo could I use? I really like the OpenSolaris.com style artwork.
> Lending Team website? opensolaris.com or opensolaris.org? I would
> favor OpenSolaris.com.
>
I wouldn`t recommend exploring the use of the logo itself because then
you`d run into trademark licensing issues with Sun. Try to stick to fair
use areas. It just makes life simpler. :) I mean, you could, but I`d
have to send you to marketing or somewhere to start that process and I
have no clue what`s involved. Why not just use something else? A screen
shot? A photograph? A person wearing a t-shirt? Etc.
I like the idea ...
Jim
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Re: [advocacy-discuss] Kiva.org
Posted:
Feb 5, 2009 4:20 AM
in response to: jimgris
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On Feb 5, 2009, at 02:14, Jim Grisanzio wrote:
> Alexander Gnodtke wrote:
>>
>> I thought it would be nice to start an OpenSolaris team but I do not
>> know if this would require some sort of permission or if there is
>> someone who takes care of these sorts of things in the OpenSolaris
>> community.
>>
>
> And, actually, the more I think of it ... Treating this as an OSUG
> could
> be cool because it would not be a geography-specific group like the
> rest
> of the OSUGs. It would be a global project treated as a UG on our
> site.
> That would be the clear link to opensolaris.org, and then you`d have
> your own space on kiva.org as well.
I would be very pleased to join this group if it formed.
S.
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Re: [advocacy-discuss] Kiva.org
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Feb 6, 2009 4:21 AM
in response to: jimgris
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It is very nice to hear some encouraging comments. So here are a few
more questions before I get started.
1. Setting up the user group
>> I thought it would be nice to start an OpenSolaris team but I do not
>> know if this would require some sort of permission or if there is
>> someone who takes care of these sorts of things in the OpenSolaris
>> community.
>>
>
> You could treat this as an OpenSolaris User Group pretty easily. You could
> create a name such as Lending OpenSolaris User Group, Caring OpenSolaris
> User Group, OpenSolaris Community Lending Group or something like that.
> That would be a legal fair use. And as your UG lends, they`d be lending on
> behalf of themselves as members of the OpenSolaris Community. It`s also an
> easy way to publicize your group within the OpenSolaris community because we
> could give you some space on opensolaris.org and a mailing list and send you
> some stuff to give out (which we do for all OSUGs when we have the
> resources).
Indeed setting up an OSUG and having the benefit of some web space on
opensolaris.org sounds good and I can initiate the process. I guess it
is ok to be part of more than one OSUG?
> And, actually, the more I think of it ... Treating this as an OSUG could be
> cool because it would not be a geography-specific group like the rest of the
> OSUGs. It would be a global project treated as a UG on our site. That would
> be the clear link to opensolaris.org, and then you`d have your own space on
> kiva.org as well.
Because this OSUG is not geography specific you would have to change
the consitution draft you blogged about a few days ago, because it
specifically states that OSUG need to be geographically bound :-)
Maybe it would be interesting to found VOSUG (if the name is not yet
taken) Virtual OSUG which can act as an OSUG for all those that do not
have an OSUG in their vicinity. Events could for example be hosted in
SecondLife, meetings could be held in chatrooms etc. and it could be
used as the OpenSolaris lending group on kiva.org. Or am I taking the
idea a little too far?
2. The LOGO
> More on trademark issues here:
>
> http://opensolaris.org/os/about/faq/trademark_faq/
> http://opensolaris.org/os/trademark/
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>> Infomation that is required is team name: OpenSolaris, OpenSolaris.com
>> or OpenSolaris.org? I would favor OpenSolaris.
>> What logo could I use? I really like the OpenSolaris.com style artwork.
>> Lending Team website? opensolaris.com or opensolaris.org? I would
>> favor OpenSolaris.com.
>>
>
> I wouldn`t recommend exploring the use of the logo itself because then you`d
> run into trademark licensing issues with Sun. Try to stick to fair use
> areas. It just makes life simpler. :) I mean, you could, but I`d have to
> send you to marketing or somewhere to start that process and I have no clue
> what`s involved. Why not just use something else? A screen shot? A
> photograph? A person wearing a t-shirt? Etc.
The trademark documents that you sent me really encourage usage of the
opensolaris banners and badges on the Internet. They were created with
the intention of spreading the word about opensolaris. The only thing
that in my mind would not quite adhere to the license agreement is
that the image would link to lending group page instead of the
opensolaris website (a link to an opensolaris webpage will be found on
the lending group page) and that we would have to upload the image
instead of retrieving it from an OpenSolaris server.
The badges found here are just beautiful artwork and would fit the purpose well:
http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/advocacy/mktgdownloads/fanbuttons/
But of course if you recommend going with fair use I would check for
images on flickr.com, I think you posted a few pictures tagged with
opensolaris. Maybe there is a specific one you could recommend?
Thank you so far,
Alex
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Re: [advocacy-discuss] Kiva.org
Posted:
Feb 6, 2009 4:21 AM
in response to: algnod
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Alexander Gnodtke wrote:
>> You could treat this as an OpenSolaris User Group pretty easily. You could
>> create a name such as Lending OpenSolaris User Group, Caring OpenSolaris
>> User Group, OpenSolaris Community Lending Group or something like that.
>> That would be a legal fair use. And as your UG lends, they`d be lending on
>> behalf of themselves as members of the OpenSolaris Community. It`s also an
>> easy way to publicize your group within the OpenSolaris community because we
>> could give you some space on opensolaris.org and a mailing list and send you
>> some stuff to give out (which we do for all OSUGs when we have the
>> resources).
>>
>
> Indeed setting up an OSUG and having the benefit of some web space on
> opensolaris.org sounds good and I can initiate the process. I guess it
> is ok to be part of more than one OSUG?
>
Of course. I'm on all 109 UG lists! :)
>> And, actually, the more I think of it ... Treating this as an OSUG could be
>> cool because it would not be a geography-specific group like the rest of the
>> OSUGs. It would be a global project treated as a UG on our site. That would
>> be the clear link to opensolaris.org, and then you`d have your own space on
>> kiva.org as well.
>>
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> Because this OSUG is not geography specific you would have to change
> the consitution draft you blogged about a few days ago, because it
> specifically states that OSUG need to be geographically bound :-)
>
Yah, I know. Good catch. I don't really like that but we settled on it
because we have three groups: User Groups, Communities, and Projects.
Projects are easy to define, but Communities and User Groups get a bit
more difficult. I preferred the term Special Interest Group or SIG
instead of Community, but that's what we came out with. So, in that
context, geo-based groups really do define user groups in most cases.
It's not perfect, but there you have it.
I think I could make an argument for this being a user group, but we
have another tool to solve the problem as well. You could skip the UG
angle and just propose a new Community: "OpenSolaris Community Lending
Group". Or, another option, which would be much faster, is to just
propose a Project sponsored by the Advocacy Community. Advocacy sponsors
a few projects (as well as all the OSUGs) and we can certainly do more.
> Maybe it would be interesting to found VOSUG
vosug is taken by the guys in Venezuela.
> (if the name is not yet
> taken) Virtual OSUG which can act as an OSUG for all those that do not
> have an OSUG in their vicinity. Events could for example be hosted in
> SecondLife, meetings could be held in chatrooms etc. and it could be
> used as the OpenSolaris lending group on kiva.org. Or am I taking the
> idea a little too far?
>
Not at all. I'd buy that.
But, talking this out as we are, I think under our /current/ system
you'd be a Project sponsored by Advocacy and under the /new/ system (if
approved) you'd be a Community. This is easy to solve.
> The badges found here are just beautiful artwork and would fit the purpose well:
> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/advocacy/mktgdownloads/fanbuttons/
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Perfect. Go for it.
> But of course if you recommend going with fair use I would check for
> images on flickr.com, I think you posted a few pictures tagged with
> opensolaris. Maybe there is a specific one you could recommend?
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Not really. There are thousands up there! Enjoy the search ... :)
Jim
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Re: [advocacy-discuss] Kiva.org
Posted:
Feb 5, 2009 1:24 PM
in response to: algnod
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Phipps wrote:
> I would be very pleased
to join this group if it formed.
+1
Intel’s CEO introduced
these guys in his keynote at last year’s Intel Developer Forum, brought
the CEO on stage as a great example of technology facilitating making lives
better by making capital more accessible to those who can use it.
For Christmas, the gifts we
gave our nieces & nephews were $25 Kiva.org loans for the developing world.
When they are paid back, they could decide to take the cash out or reinvest it.
Dave
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Re: [advocacy-discuss] Kiva.org
Posted:
Feb 5, 2009 11:27 PM
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On Feb 5, 2009,
at 12:20, Simon
Phipps wrote:
> I would be
very pleased
to join this group if it formed.
+1
Intel’s CEO
introduced
these guys in his keynote at last year’s Intel Developer Forum, brought
the CEO on stage as a great example of technology facilitating making
lives
better by making capital more accessible to those who can use it.
For Christmas,
the gifts we
gave our nieces & nephews were $25 Kiva.org loans for the
developing world.
When they are paid back, they could decide to take the cash out or
reinvest it.
That's a wonderful idea. :)
Jim
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